Boxrec's Top 20 Heavyweights

[Larry the boss]

Adamek is 3-3 in his last 6 and is top 20?? wow

[RuslanChagaev]

Charles Martin still in top 20. what a joke. who was his most important win?

[Cutthroat]

Excuses and context don't matter when ranking fighters. Only results and outcomes matter. I could ask you to provide proof for those claims but they are all irrelevant.

Fact is, Povetkin knocked out a PRIME, previously UN-KO'ed and a younger Carlos Takam unconscious who happened to be the same size relatively speaking.

Meanwhile, Anthony Joshua faced an older, a more faded Carlos Takam who was previously brutally KO'ed but Joshua still couldn't cleanly KO Takam. Anthony Joshua also massively out-sized Carlos Takam which Povetkin didn't.


Fact is, Alexander Povetkin sent Johan Duhapas into a state of unconsciousness in only 6 rounds.

Meanwhile, Deontay Wilder couldn't even drop Duhapas in 11 rounds and needed a standing stoppage.

Fact is, Bryant Jennings got a split decision win against Mike Perez and arguably lost.

Meanwhile, Povetkin knocked that same Mike Perez out in just 1 round.

I never claimed Wilder or Joshua don't deserve to be ranked higher. They are much younger. Thus, it stands to reason that they should and would be ranked higher.

However, my point was that Povetkin deserves to be ranked in the top 5 at the very least, if not in the top 3. If not, please provide the names of some boxers who deserve a higher ranking barring Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder.

"context doesn't matter" no wonder you're so lost. I base most of my opinions off statistics and without context, statistics are just numbers.


Takam was in a toe to toe brawl with Pedvetkin, that increases his odds of getting KO'd. Takam was in survival mode vs AJ, that leads to lesser odds of him getting KO'd.

Duhapaus took the fight on 48 hours notice, the % of fighters in boxing's history that take a fight on short notice and win are slim to none. Even champions that don't take their camps seriously, Tyson, Lewis, significantly increase their odds of getting KO'd.

Perez admitted he literally fought Pedvetkin drunk, there is nothing we can take away from that fight. Pedvetkin had just 1 other 1st round stoppage in his entire career back in 2005 in his 3rd fight while Perez had never even been down. This is called an anomaly, and it was due to Perez being an alcoholic. Even team Garcia didn't want to team up after he fired Sanchez because they saw the state he was in.


You can't be ranked in the top 5 unless you've beaten a quality opponent. Pedvetkin last beat a top 10 HW in 2011 in a close competitive fight, in a completely different division.

[Robbie Barrett]

-Pedvetkin got blown out by Wlad, AJ KO'd Wlad. Even Jennings was better vs Wlad.

-Pedvetkin's last win over a top 10 HW was a close fight with Chagaev back in 2011. Wilder has top 5 wins over Ortiz/Stiverne.

-Pedvetkin-Takam was a highly competitive fight, AJ-Takam was a blow out, Takam admitting his plan was to survive.

-Duahpas took the fight on 48 hours notice, Pedvetkin tested positive for Ostarine and a had a full training camp.

Charr and Takam were both top 10 HW's when Povetkin beat them.

[N/A]

Parker should be top 3 given fact he is the other heavyweight champ of the world.

WBO has always been the weakest belt of the four.

Boxrec gives zero consideration to belts. As far as boxrec rankings are concerned, the belts don't exist. The boxrec computer has no idea who the champion is.

Parker's ranking fairly reflects his level of opposition.

[Robbie Barrett]

WBO has always been the weakest belt of the four.

Boxrec gives zero consideration to belts. As far as boxrec rankings are concerned, the belts don't exist. The boxrec computer has no idea who the champion is.

Parker's ranking fairly reflects his level of opposition.

According to boxrec points Charles Martin is closer to Wilder in ability than Wilder is to Joshua. About right.

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Strongest HW division of all time

[Mr Objecitivity]

"context doesn't matter" no wonder you're so lost. I base most of my opinions off statistics and without context, statistics are just numbers.


Takam was in a toe to toe brawl with Pedvetkin, that increases his odds of getting KO'd. Takam was in survival mode vs AJ, that leads to lesser odds of him getting KO'd.

Duhapaus took the fight on 48 hours notice, the % of fighters in boxing's history that take a fight on short notice and win are slim to none. Even champions that don't take their camps seriously, Tyson, Lewis, significantly increase their odds of getting KO'd.

Perez admitted he literally fought Pedvetkin drunk, there is nothing we can take away from that fight. Pedvetkin had just 1 other 1st round stoppage in his entire career back in 2005 in his 3rd fight while Perez had never even been down. This is called an anomaly, and it was due to Perez being an alcoholic. Even team Garcia didn't want to team up after he fired Sanchez because they saw the state he was in.


You can't be ranked in the top 5 unless you've beaten a quality opponent. Pedvetkin last beat a top 10 HW in 2011 in a close competitive fight, in a completely different division.

No, I am not lost. I am going by the system used by Boxrec to rank boxers. Which is based on an algorithm of point scoring that only bases the points on results / outcomes of bouts and not context / excuses.

Also, context / excuses can be spun in potentially infinite number of ways that they become totally irrelevant. Unless proof is provided!

So if you have problem with Boxrec's method of ranking boxers, then take it out on boxrec and not me.

The fact that Povetkin stopped Takam in the same round as Joshua means Povetkin gained necessary points to be ranked in the top 5.

Likewise, Povetkin KO'ed Duhaupas quicker than Wilder. Thus, he again received the necessary points to be ranked in the top 5. I could ask you to provide evidence / proof that Duhaupas wasn't in training camp but that again is totally irrelevant.

What Mike Perez or his team say to justify his loss is totally irrelevant. They could just be excuses for all I care. I care for PROOF and not baseless statements when forming conclusions. Mike Perez didn't look anymore drunk against Povetkin than Kovalev did against Andre Ward in both fights or Luis Ortiz and Artur Szpila looked against Deontay Wilder. The only time Mike Perez looked drunk to me was when he got stunned by a Povetkin right hand and when he was on shaky legs after that point.

Provide proof / evidence that Mike Perez was drunk or that claim is going to be dismissed!

Alexander Povetkin beat Carlos Takam and Manuel Charr who were both in the top 10 when he beat them. If you don't think he should be ranked in the top 5, then go ahead and name me some of the boxers who you'd rank ahead of him. I challenge you. Outside of the following boxers:

- Anthony Joshua

- Deontay Wilder

- Joseph Parker

- Luis Ortiz


And explain why you'd rank those boxers ahead of Povetkin.

[SAINTSTEVE]

Top 10 heavweight rankings are always depressing but if you think boxrec's are wacky then compare them to the sanctioning bodies.

[Cutthroat]

No, I am not lost. I am going by the system used by Boxrec to rank boxers. Which is based on an algorithm of point scoring that only bases the points on results / outcomes of bouts and not context / excuses.

Also, context / excuses can be spun in potentially infinite number of ways that they become totally irrelevant. Unless proof is provided!

So if you have problem with Boxrec's method of ranking boxers, then take it out on boxrec and not me.

The fact that Povetkin stopped Takam in the same round as Joshua means Povetkin gained necessary points to be ranked in the top 5.

Likewise, Povetkin KO'ed Duhaupas quicker than Wilder. Thus, he again received the necessary points to be ranked in the top 5. I could ask you to provide evidence / proof that Duhaupas wasn't in training camp but that again is totally irrelevant.

What Mike Perez or his team say to justify his loss is totally irrelevant. They could just be excuses for all I care. I care for PROOF and not baseless statements when forming conclusions. Mike Perez didn't look anymore drunk against Povetkin than Kovalev did against Andre Ward in both fights or Luis Ortiz and Artur Szpila looked against Deontay Wilder. The only time Mike Perez looked drunk to me was when he got stunned by a Povetkin right hand and when he was on shaky legs after that point.

Provide proof / evidence that Mike Perez was drunk or that claim is going to be dismissed!

Alexander Povetkin beat Carlos Takam and Manuel Charr who were both in the top 10 when he beat them. If you don't think he should be ranked in the top 5, then go ahead and name me some of the boxers who you'd rank ahead of him. I challenge you. Outside of the following boxers:

- Anthony Joshua

- Deontay Wilder

- Joseph Parker

- Luis Ortiz


And explain why you'd rank those boxers ahead of Povetkin.

Going purely off boxrec's incomplete system can't determine who's top dog in the division. There are patterns and anomalies that occur in boxing ranging from training camp quality/length, weight gain/loss, stylistic match ups, recent KO llosses, 1st round KO's, switching trainers, etc. all these things and many more generate a certain % which can add or subtract from their overall odds of winning.

-Duhapas took the fight on 48 hours notice, if you measure all the times a fighter that has taken a fight on a week's notice and have won you will come out with a number. That number is incredibly low, I don't have an exact #, but I'm guessing 10% of the time, possibly less. Think about it, how many times can you recall a fighter doing so?

-Likewise a fighter not taking his training camp seriously or having a limited training camp such as champions like Tyson, Lewis, and Foreman (rumble in the jungle, barely trained) is a pattern that has been repeated. Even HOF champions are susceptible for KO's when they don't have a serious and or limited training camp. This subtracts from the odds of winning, it is considered a negative.

-1st round KO's in championship boxing are anomalies, how many have you ever seen? In Perez's case he was an alcoholic and showed up to Robert Garcia's gym with 3 weeks to go. Limited training camp, alcoholism, trainer switch, all these are negatives which subtract from his odds of winning in the end generating a certain number.



-Charr lost to a guy not in the top 10, Duhapas.
-Takam was MAYBE near the top 10, but lost that ranking quickly.

That was years ago when we know for a fact Pedvetkin was on Meldonium. Pedvetkin doesn't have a single win as good as Parker's Ruiz, AJ//Fury's Klitschko's, Ortiz's Jennings, or Wilder's Ortiz. It was a close fight with Takam after that you have to go back to 2011 vs Chagaev.