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  • turnedup
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    #41
    Originally posted by icha
    they are taking in consideration the levels, those levels give you nothing when it comes to enhancing...
    but one thing you are right, there should be at least a penalty or punishment for negligence, i been saying this since it all came out...
    Again, it shouldn't be there in the first place. I mean pull yourself out of this being a sport. Where in life do they reconsider the circumstances when you break a law or rule? Nowhere, this is my issue with boxing. Arguably one of the most destructive sports in the world. They suspend other people for just popping, where the levels don't matter but consideration for this guys levels?

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    • icha
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      #42
      Originally posted by turnedup
      Again, it shouldn't be there in the first place. I mean pull yourself out of this being a sport. Where in life do they reconsider the circumstances when you break a law or rule? Nowhere, this is my issue with boxing. Arguably one of the most destructive sports in the world. They suspend other people for just popping, where the levels don't matter but consideration for this guys levels?
      this isnt just about boxing, more than 100 athletes have been exonerated for the very same reason and most of them soccer players... same circumstances, same levels... i understand if you think is unfair, but thats the way anti-doping agencies had been handling the situation and unless they make important changes i dont see how they will do different with canelo...

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        #43
        Originally posted by icha
        this isnt just about boxing, more than 100 athletes have been exonerated for the very same reason and most of them soccer players... same circumstances, same levels... i understand if you think is unfair, but thats the way anti-doping agencies had been handling the situation and unless they make important changes i dont see how they will do different with canelo...
        This is about boxing, stop using other athletes as a reason to justify this situation. We shouldn't have to justify it like at all and quite honestly saying 100 athletes already got popped for this is not an excuse it's actually making it worse because at least if he was among the first then the argument of "ignorance" could be made. Put your personal feelings aside and process what I just said...I'm sorry but a soccer player doping and kicking a ball is nowhere near as serious as a man doping and punching another man in the face. Soccer player can kick the ball til it explodes, a boxers life being altered in anyway can't be reversed. You have to start putting things into context and I don't know if you are a Canelo fan or not and i'm not accusing you of one of the other but put yourself in his opponent's shoes. Would you really want to fight against that?

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          #44
          Originally posted by turnedup
          This is about boxing, stop using other athletes as a reason to justify this situation. We shouldn't have to justify it like at all and quite honestly saying 100 athletes already got popped for this is not an excuse it's actually making it worse because at least if he was among the first then the argument of "ignorance" could be made. Put your personal feelings aside and process what I just said...I'm sorry but a soccer player doping and kicking a ball is nowhere near as serious as a man doping and punching another man in the face. Soccer player can kick the ball til it explodes, a boxers life being altered in anyway can't be reversed. You have to start putting things into context and I don't know if you are a Canelo fan or not and i'm not accusing you of one of the other but put yourself in his opponent's shoes. Would you really want to fight against that?
          He's neglecting to tell you that the soccer players in question were under 17 and non-Mexican.
          They can at least make a good case for the ignorant argument.

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            #45
            Originally posted by stealthradon
            He's neglecting to tell you that the soccer players in question were under 17 and non-Mexican.
            They can at least make a good case for the ignorant argument.

            Dude i'm really scratching my head at some of these arguments. Seriously. After watching what happened with Magomed a few years back I have zero tolerance for any level of fkery in this sport.

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            • icha
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              #46
              Originally posted by turnedup
              This is about boxing, stop using other athletes as a reason to justify this situation. We shouldn't have to justify it like at all and quite honestly saying 100 athletes already got popped for this is not an excuse it's actually making it worse because at least if he was among the first then the argument of "ignorance" could be made. Put your personal feelings aside and process what I just said...I'm sorry but a soccer player doping and kicking a ball is nowhere near as serious as a man doping and punching another man in the face. Soccer player can kick the ball til it explodes, a boxers life being altered in anyway can't be reversed. You have to start putting things into context and I don't know if you are a Canelo fan or not and i'm not accusing you of one of the other but put yourself in his opponent's shoes. Would you really want to fight against that?
              clenbuterol in mexico isnt just about boxing, thats a much bigger problem than that, it cant be ignored and that is why anti-doping take those cases with a different approach... it doesnt mean that its going to happen to everybody all the time, but it could happen to anyone... and you are right that a boxers life is at risk , but the amounts found in canelo will do no harm, and if he keeps passing the tests until the fight gets done then gggs life wont be in danger, abel him self already said that they will call off the fight if necessary... im sure that anti-doping wouldnt be giving canelo a pass if there was any danger of any kind...

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                #47
                Originally posted by icha
                clenbuterol in mexico isnt just about boxing, thats a much bigger problem than that, it cant be ignored and that is why anti-doping take those cases with a different approach... it doesnt mean that its going to happen to everybody all the time, but it could happen to anyone... and you are right that a boxers life is at risk , but the amounts found in canelo will do no harm, and if he keeps passing the tests until the fight gets done then gggs life wont be in danger, abel him self already said that they will call off the fight if necessary... im sure that anti-doping wouldnt be giving canelo a pass if there was any danger of any kind...
                Again, is Mexico signing up for a boxing license? Is the butcher? No, it's the fighter. The fighter signs on a dotted line, takes part in a physical, and agrees to specific testing for any upcoming fight. It is said fighter who agrees that "THIS BANNED SUBSTANCE WILL NOT SHOW UP IN MY RESULTS." It doesn't matter how it got there, it's there. Just because a country has a meat problem doesn't make it ok for that banned substance to be in your system. There is no argument for mexico, there is no argument for meat when you AGREE to not have something in your system. I'm sorry man but you guys keep dancing around this "Mexican meat problem" like that makes it ok for him to piss/blood dirty. It doesn't. Boxing is a business first and foremost, don't talk to me about giving fighters a pass via anti-doping because all you had to do is go back and listen to Winky Wright talk about testing "passes" in relation to his fight with Peter Quillin. We've been amicable on this site a long time dude, I can't believe you are actually making these arguments. I very highly doubt you'd make them for a fighter from any other corner of the world. It's almost like in your mind Canelo has ZERO guilt in any of this which is ridiculous on its own.

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