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  • TonyGe
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    #61
    Originally posted by icha
    rightfully so...
    but to be honest i think he is smarter than that...
    but after all, this is a good way of promoting the fight, i will say that in the last couple of weeks sanchez has done more promotion than oscar and loeffler together...
    Yeah they aren't setting records for promoting this thing. I wonder how this will play out in terms PPV buys.

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    • Boxing Logic
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      #62
      Originally posted by Muz
      The usa boxing establishment is favorable to its house FIGHTERs:

      Mayweather
      Ward
      Canelo

      They know their house guys are going to get away with anything against Eastern European fighters. The bias and predjudice is real.
      Do you think it's bias and prejudice though, or do you think it's based on money? See I always figured they only protected Ward because of money. Because they thought he could become a PPV star like Floyd. And same with Canelo who is a PPV star.

      But then I started thinking, Lomachenko also had the potential to be the next foreign PPV star, and yet they robbed him very early in his career vs Salido, the exact opposite of what they did with Ward early in his career when Boone beat him but they gave Ward the decision.

      When Pacquiao beat Bradley, Bradley never really had PPV star potential, but he is an American, and they gave it to Bradley.

      When Lennox Lewis was near retirement, and Klitschko was clearly going to be the next PPV moneymaker, they didn't protect the young guy and do everything possible to get him the win, like they've done so often in the past. Instead, they stopped the fight probably half a round away from him winning, and stuck him with a loss instead.

      So I am starting to wonder, like you are, if there's not more to do it than just money. There is definitely a lot of anti-white sentiment out there, and anti-Russian sentiment, with Russia on its way to being basically the biggest and most powerful white-majority nation soon now that the U.S, U.K, and other prominent Western nations are being socially engineered to eliminate their white majorities. There's a lot of weird **** going on lately in boxing.

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      • icha
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        #63
        Originally posted by TonyGe
        Yeah they aren't setting records for promoting this thing. I wonder how this will play out in terms PPV buys.
        i still think it will do good, considering all the controversy and the fact that no other big ppv fight has been finalized this year...

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        • Boxing Logic
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          #64
          Originally posted by PunchyPotorff
          ".....I'm not an expert," Sanchez said.

          He sure has a lot of opinions for not being an expert.
          I have the patience to wait to see how this plays out before passing judgement. Maybe Sanchez needs the same patience.
          So you do. Nothing he said in this interview is in any way controversial or arguable. Just common sense really. Using the taint meat excuse when your family are meat butchers, and your camp diet, which was published for all to see in GQ Magazine, doesn't even include beef, is ridiculous on its face. We all know Canelo uses PEDs, but there is so much money behind him, he will be allowed to cheat just like Floyd, Ward, RJJ, and so on.

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          • icha
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            #65
            Originally posted by Boxing Logic
            So you do. Nothing he said in this interview is in any way controversial or arguable. Just common sense really. Using the taint meat excuse when your family are meat butchers, and your camp diet, which was published for all to see in GQ Magazine, doesn't even include beef, is ridiculous on its face. We all know Canelo uses PEDs, but there is so much money behind him, he will be allowed to cheat just like Floyd, Ward, RJJ, and so on.
            why would you bring up his camp diet?? this happened in mexico before he entered his camp..

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            • Boxing Logic
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              #66
              Originally posted by Dip_Slide
              Nothing bothers me more than the ****** ass statement made by the testing agency "the values are within the tolerances that would be expected from contaminated meat", well if that's the case, why are you makung a fuss about it then? why did u make an announcement to the media in the first place if the values are too low to have any significance? u put Canelo's name and his team's name as well as the fight in jeopardy and then you say oh the values are actually within tolerances after u extort some money from Canelo and golden boy? that's not right man. At least let us know what level of that substance was found in his body and what are the tolerances.
              Because they're full of ****. According to WADA protocols, which VADA follows, ZERO amount of clenbuterol is allowed. ANY amount is illegal. That's because when you take it, your body absorbs most of it, so all that would be left over in your urine or blood test is trace amounts anyway. There is no allowable threshold for any amount of it in your system, which is different from the Povetkin situation where athletes were allowed a certain amount in tests before April or May that year, because it had been legal the year before, and Povetkin had 14 times less than what was ALLOWED, but they still canceled his fight with Wilder.

              As for clenbuterol and Canelo, I mean Canelo had more in his system than the cyclist who was banned for years for testing positive with less of it. What that investigation found is that the cyclist would have had to eat beef from a cow that was slaughtered immediately after being injected with clenbuterol, which never happens because that would be a waste of clenbuterol on the butcher's behalf to inject a cow with it, but then kill the cow right after before the clenbuterol has had time to take effect and grow the cow bigger.

              Canelo is a PED user. His test was illegal per WADA protocols, which VADA follows. VADA had no choice but to publish the results because Canelo's test was illegal and it's in the contract he and GGG signed. Now, as for why VADA let Golden Boy break the news, and already had official excuses prepared from "VADA accredited" doctors or whatever they called him, and tried to make it about levels, when as I said NO AMOUNT IS LEGAL because you should only ever to find trace amounts anyway, is because Canelo is the money man and they are trying to protect him.

              So no offense intended at all with this, but you have it just slightly backwards. They aren't leaking stuff that is hurting Canelo's reputation necessarily, they are actually making excuses for him where none should exist as a way to try to protect his reputation.

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              • PunchyPotorff
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                #67
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
                ".....I'm not an expert," Sanchez said.

                He sure has a lot of opinions for not being an expert. I have the patience to wait to see how this plays out before passing judgement. Maybe Sanchez needs the same patience.

                Originally posted by Boxing Logic
                So you do. Nothing he said in this interview is in any way controversial or arguable. Just common sense really. Using the taint meat excuse when your family are meat butchers, and your camp diet, which was published for all to see in GQ Magazine, doesn't even include beef, is ridiculous on its face. We all know Canelo uses PEDs, but there is so much money behind him, he will be allowed to cheat just like Floyd, Ward, RJJ, and so on.
                'We all know'. Wow, that's always a clue that some goofball WANTS something to be a certain way, and they're desperately trying to get it that way, or to get public opinion to go that way. Have whatever opinion you want bubba, I don't care. And in case there's still doubt, no I don't happen to share your opinions.

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                • PunchyPotorff
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                  #68
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                  Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
                  ".....I'm not an expert," Sanchez said.

                  He sure has a lot of opinions for not being an expert. I have the patience to wait to see how this plays out before passing judgement. Maybe Sanchez needs the same patience.

                  Originally posted by tokon
                  Yeah, Sanchez talks so much **** most of the time!

                  But, as OctoberRed pointed out, he is actually making some good valid points on this one!
                  It all his opinions, just like he said. Way too early to be passing judgement either way IMO. And his constant blabbering is actually taking money away from him, his fighter, and Canelo and his team. Get enough of an opinion going the way of thinking Canelo is a cheat before the fight even happens or the test results are in... less tickets will be sold. So he's really being ****** throwing blame around this early.

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                  • PunchyPotorff
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                    #69
                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
                    ".....I'm not an expert," Sanchez said.

                    He sure has a lot of opinions for not being an expert. I have the patience to wait to see how this plays out before passing judgement. Maybe Sanchez needs the same patience.

                    Originally posted by ruedboy
                    Disagree. Sanchez is keeping the incident in play and, if true, the facts about Alvarez's trainer being a former butcher are new and relevant.
                    He's looking out for his fighter and just wants a level playing field.
                    I knew from a former HBO or Showtime fight special that Reynoso's family owned a meat market, like many fans already knew. That means absolutely nothing unless he would've also been a chemist to study the meat under a microscope or similar testing. Like I've said elsewhere, Sanchez is being ****** blabbering like this before all facts/tests are in and processed. If sanctioning bodies are good with this so far, so am I. And BTW, I'll likely be first in line in checking Canelo off my list of favorite boxers if it is proven he's cheating. So don't even go there, friend.

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                    • Mexican_Puppet
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by The D3vil
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                      There are no 6'3" Mexicans!



                      Apparently, GGG doesn't live in a country with such "terrible meat", so he can afford to eat horse meat in Kazakhstan.

                      Canelo's richer than him, so he can afford to eat better than GGG
                      Poor i.d.io.t, in México there are a lot of tall people.

                      Idiot. So the cheff of Canelo should be in every side that Canelo goes.?

                      Are you that idiot?

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