No Knockdown 10-8 rounds

[Dr.Cool]

A fighter gets rocked, his legs turn to jello, he is stumbling around, and he tries to clutch hold of his attacker. Despite taking more punishment, the fighter manages to stay on his feet the entire round. Should that be a 10-8 round? Does a fighter not get rewarded at all for pure heart and determination?

Wilder was seriously hurt in the 7th, yet he somehow managed to stay upright the whole time. By making it a 10-8 round anyway, Wilder should have just taken a knee. This isn't about Wilder though, it is about boxing.

Why encourage fighters to take a knee whenever they get stunned? Should the ability to stay upright and take the best punches of your opponent be worth anything?

[Cheek busting]

A fighter gets rocked, his legs turn to jello, he is stumbling around, and he tries to clutch hold of his attacker. Despite taking more punishment, the fighter manages to stay on his feet the entire round. Should that be a 10-8 round? Does a fighter not get rewarded at all for pure heart and determination?

Wilder was seriously hurt in the 7th, yet he somehow managed to stay upright the whole time. By making it a 10-8 round anyway, Wilder should have just taken a knee. This isn't about Wilder though, it is about boxing.

Why encourage fighters to take a knee whenever they get stunned? Should the ability to stay upright and take the best punches of your opponent be worth anything?

Well, the ref is well within his rights to stop the fight, so taking a knee is gonna be up to the boxer.

If the ref stopped the Wilder/Ortiz fight in the 7th, there wouldn't have been any arguments, or protests.

It's always going to be subjective, and it should be left to the judges to determine based on factors: "How competitive was the round overall"? "How long was the fighter backpedaling and clinching for dear life"? "How much punishment was inflicted"?

I mean, there's cases where a flash KD, although clean, barely effected the fighter. Why should that automatically count for a better score when a fighter literally almost has the opponent out on his feet?

things like heart and will shouldn't be included in scoring criteria. those are the factors that separate champions sometimes, doe. and often are what powers a fighter through to the final bell to get the W, or in Wilder's case, allow him to survive and then come back and win. But they shouldn't be objective scoring criteria.

[daggum]

there needs to be more 10-8 and 10-10 rounds in boxing. there can be a round where neither guy does much and then one where one guy gets rocked around the ring and badly hurt but they are the same? the judges are going to give all those low action rounds to the a-side guy. we already know that. they know that too and thats why they fight that way. we need to encourage more rounds liek this and more even rounds where you dont win them just for not getting dominated. this way the first kovalev fight would be scored 7 rounds to 0 with 5 even.

[Kezzer]

You could equally argue that a flash knockdown shouldn’t be a 10-8? For instance round 5 Ortiz was set to win the round then wilder hit him hard right near the bell. Should that have been a 10-8?

Unless the rules change then everyone knows what they are. For the record I don’t know anyone who didn’t score that particular round a 10-8 so I think people thought it was one-sided enough to justify it.

[boliodogs]

I understand your point but if a boxer takes a bad beating I will still score the round 10 to 8. The round Ortiz hurt Wilder and had him out on his feet was a round I might score 10 to 8.

[Eff Pandas]

A fighter gets rocked, his legs turn to jello, he is stumbling around, and he tries to clutch hold of his attacker. Despite taking more punishment, the fighter manages to stay on his feet the entire round. Should that be a 10-8 round?

If its for a short period of the round I don't see anything wrong with a 10-9 round. But if its a substantial period of the round I think a 10-8 is warranted.

Does a fighter not get rewarded at all for pure heart and determination?

Definitely not. I've never rewarded points (or not deducted points) due to heart & determination. I've given guys more respect & thought of them more highly after showing heart & determination, but I don't believe that should be something anyone should be considering when scoring a boxing match.

Why encourage fighters to take a knee whenever they get stunned?

Cuz it gives you a chance to recover on your own terms vs your opponents terms which aren't as favorable. I think taking a knee is one of the strategic moves that could change the tide of a fight that fighters virtually never use. I think its a huge hole in the tactics of boxing that its not more used.

Then again I think its possible guys might be so hurt & in the moment they aren't really thinking that strategically or clearly so its probably easier for me to talk about doing it then it is to do it in the moment.

I will say merely "stunned" might be too low of a threshold to reach to take a knee.

Should the ability to stay upright and take the best punches of your opponent be worth anything?

No. Being tough isn't scoring points.

[kilojay505]

No matter how bad a fighter is hurt if he stays on his feet and the ref doesnt give a count he shouldnt be lose more than 1pt. Each KD loses a point

[Robbie Barrett]

What's the point of having a 10 point system when they never use it to it's full potential? What's the lowest score you've seen a fighter receive in a round? When the **** is a fighter going to be knocked down 9 times to receive 0 points?