They were going to ROB Ortiz

[Chrismart]

I had no idea Wilder was ahead on the official cards as i hadn't take any real notice. It's a surprise to me though, i thought Ortiz was clearly ahead. That's not a good look.

[Jsmooth9876]

I had it 6-3 Ortiz with Wilder getting a 10-8 round. He may be the worse champion in the sport. The guy can't box for **** but he has a nuclear right hand that nobody can survive.
I'm not sure I've seen a worse 40-0 fighter ever in boxing.

That said, I love the guys attitude and personality and I'm rooting for him to unify the division in the next year

[StefanTosic]

Yeah, this hasn't anything to do with Wilder, but the OP is spot on! It is mind blowing how the foreign fighters are blatantly getting robbed. 80% of the press and fans are seeing one fight, while the judges referee and the tv network are trying to make you believe in quite the opposit. That 30 seconds extra time for Wilder was so disgusting.

[Dr Rumack]

No argument for having Wilder up. That's just bare-faced corruption.

Up until the 7th I thought it was a nice controlled performance by Wilder. He was getting outhustled in trades so it made sense to let Ortiz do the work and just pick his moments.

But it sure got ugly after that. I want to like him because I love his attitude, but his style is so hard to watch. It's all so loose and messy. All of his finishes look like something you'd see outside a pub on a Saturday night.

Full credit for the heart and maturity he showed. It was a very good win. But it's hard to get onboard when he makes Mike Alvarado's shadowboxing look like textbook technique.

[Kezzer]

Sometimes you have to be really close to the ring to truly detect how powerful the blows are. Granted, I had Ortiz up by one going into the 9th, but if someone flipped the 3rd or 4th to Wilder, I'd have no problem with that.

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Not really sure why you are defending them? How did you score it?

For me:

R1-R4 - Ortiz 10-9
R5 - Wilder 10-8
R6 - Wilder 10-9
R7 - Ortiz - 10-8
R8 - Ortiz - 10-9
R9 - Wilder - 10-9

That would have had Ortiz 3 rounds up, most of them rounds seemed obvious scoring that way?

Other odd things for me. Following Ortiz being on top , why did wilder get an extra 20 seconds before next round started ? Same referee oddly gave klitschko extra time following knock downs from Joshua.
End of round 8 wilder hit after the bell but not questioned. It was close and I didn’t think too much. However the next round he very clearly did he same again, far more obviously and nothing happened again.

[stellen]

I noticed that too, I had Ortiz up on the scorecards along with the commentary team. Also the way the ref called the Doc in the check Wilder after he was hurt was fishy, should of done that between rounds but they waited until the round started to call him in and gave him more time to recover.

This is what majorly ticked me off. The protection and time for recovery wilder got off the ref was rotten. No way AJ should fight wilder in a place so corrupt as america. It has to be in the UK.

[nacho daddy]

not really a robbery. Nothing happened in the first four rounds, so the judges could have basically split them or given them to either guy. The fight didn't really start until the fifth.

that is because Ortiz is an idiot where he should have not waited until the 7th rd to bomb wilder. did he think at 50 years old he would outlast wilder? he should have let loose from the start of the fight not letting it go into the later rds

[N/A]

Not really sure why you are defending them? How did you score it?

For me:

R1-R4 - Ortiz 10-9
R5 - Wilder 10-8
R6 - Wilder 10-9
R7 - Ortiz - 10-8
R8 - Ortiz - 10-9
R9 - Wilder - 10-9

That would have had Ortiz 3 rounds up, most of them rounds seemed obvious scoring that way?

Sitting ringside I thought it was pretty clear Wilder won the second round, even if the clean knockdown wasn't counted. Everything else I had the same as you. So 5-4 Ortiz heading into the 10th.

But rounds 3 & 4 had so little going on, and Wilder was landing the harder blows (although he barely landed), that it would be hard for me to complain if someone gave him one of those two. Which would make it 5-4 Wilder, which is exactly what all three judges had. Again, I disagree, I gave Ortiz the 3rd & the 4th, but I didn't think either was clear.

Other odd things for me. Following Ortiz being on top , why did wilder get an extra 20 seconds before next round started ?

Ever since New York state had to pay that $22 million settlement, they've instituted all of these new rules and safety guidelines that are resulting in hurt fighters getting extra time between rounds to get checked by the doctor, knocked down fighters getting extra time as the ref asks them a million times if they're ok, makes them walk forward, etc. Ortiz was given an extra ten seconds after one of the knockdowns. So both fighters benefited from these lame changes that have been made due to New York's new safety paranoia.

[Kezzer]

NELSON had Ortiz up by four. His reaction when hearing judges scores . “Wilder?? What? Really? Wow”

It summed it up. Just saw official scorecards..

All three have wilder round 2?
one gave him round 3, and other two round 4? Really?

Don’t really understand that.

[N/A]

All three have wilder round 2?

A lot of us on press row gave Wilder round two. But it's possible we were influenced by the knockdown. Which you can debate whether we should ignore a clear knockdown if the ref misses it. I scored it 10-9 Wilder, but a reporter to the left of me scored that round 10-8 Wilder due to the knockdown being so clear from our vantage point.