If Ortiz is so skilled and great while does he take PEDs?

[BoxingOutlaw]

So many talk on here he is as skilled as Whitaker , Mayweather, or Sugar Ray Robinson etc.

Tough as Chavez or Holyfield.

Punches harder than Shavers or Foreman.

What elite boxing talents does he have.

Wilder at least is always in shape , long reach, great jab, killer right hand. Most of Wilder' s best best attributes are God given.

[Vinnykin]

I think people overrate Ortiz, he really hasn't proven any skills in the last 2 years, people just assume he is the same fighter he looked in the Jennings fight, which is ri***-a-lus

[john l]

So many talk on here he is as skilled as Whitaker , Mayweather, or Sugar Ray Robinson etc.

Tough as Chavez or Holyfield.

Punches harder than Shavers or Foreman.

What elite boxing talents does he have.

Wilder at least is always in shape , long reach, great jab, killer right hand. Most of Wilder' s best best attributes are God given.

Ortiz is a very skilled lefty esp for heavy but I don't hear ANYONE comparing him to the guys you listed in any category.He has a full arsenal of punches that he throws tight and even with kinda slow feet he gets himself in good position.Also has pretty good defence with his chin tucked well and always in a spot to counter.

[WarHagler]

Some of the guys you listed were ped users

[Mindgames]

So many talk on here he is as skilled as Whitaker , Mayweather, or Sugar Ray Robinson etc.

Tough as Chavez or Holyfield.

Punches harder than Shavers or Foreman.

What elite boxing talents does he have.

Wilder at least is always in shape , long reach, great jab, killer right hand. Most of Wilder' s best best attributes are God given.

I've never heard any of those comparisons tbh. He does have some attributes, but that doesn't stop people taking PEDs. Better than him have used them, and it's quite ironic that you used Holyfield as an example up there.

[boliodogs]

He may not be guilty of deliberate PED use. He will surely be clean tonight. Wilder has never fought a guy as good as Ortiz and Ortiz has never fought a guy as good as Wilder. We should know more about both of them when the fight is over.

[PsychoPat]

So many talk on here he is as skilled as Whitaker , Mayweather, or Sugar Ray Robinson etc.

Tough as Chavez or Holyfield.

Punches harder than Shavers or Foreman.

What elite boxing talents does he have.

Wilder at least is always in shape , long reach, great jab, killer right hand. Most of Wilder' s best best attributes are God given.

Ortiz took peds cos he's 57 against youngens

[lolpz]

Roy Jones was skilled and great and took PEDs.

So because you are skilled means you won't decide to exercise your free will? How do people come up with these ******ed ass threads.

I'm not even saying Ortiz is skilled and great either.

[Madison Boxing]

why did roy jones take them?

[Madison Boxing]

So many talk on here he is as skilled as Whitaker , Mayweather, or Sugar Ray Robinson etc.

Tough as Chavez or Holyfield.

Punches harder than Shavers or Foreman.

What elite boxing talents does he have.

Wilder at least is always in shape , long reach, great jab, killer right hand. Most of Wilder' s best best attributes are God given.

and where did you get that from?