Edwin Valero vs. Vassyl Lomachenko at 135

[chrisJS]

You also probably didn’t see Louis’s 2nd fight, Ali’s, Rockys, Peps, Haglers, and many others either.
Are you trying to kill two birds with one stone mentioning Wilder and Valero? Convoluted thoughts lol lmao?

Valero stopped the guy that stopped Linares who Loma might fight. And he stopped DeMarco with a bad gash in his head. Say what you want about Mosquera but Valero went to his backyard and stopped him.

Valero wasn’t just a slugger. He had a jab, movement and power. And he was better than Salido. To think that Loma beats Valero is your choice, but I say that Valero comes forward and bashes the **** out Loma who imo would run the whole fight.

I've never seen Loma run in a fight so I'm not sure what would happen.

Arguello lost to 4 dudes he didn't beat including a failed title attempt before he had what in my opinion was a solid career. Henry Armstrong who I consider perhaps more than solid has unavenged early losses.

Hopkins-Mitchell. Marquez-Norwood. Does Marquez-Norwood mean he can never beat Pacquaio? Or that he can never defeat Robert Easter?

Holding the possibility of Loma/Linares against him is tedious. If Loma wins every round and makes him quit he becomes a lesser boxer? How's that logical or fair? He'll have added a lineal title and defeated a guy that's had an even better career than the murderer.

[Raggamuffin]

That logic doesn't always work.

Clint Mitchell beat Hopkins and who the hell is Mitchell? Hopkins beat some good dudes that I'd say were even better than Mitchell.

Manny Pacquaio lost to Sungsurat and TorreCampo but he beat some HOF great fighters. He also got a draw with Agapito Sanchez who Barrera almost shut out and what happened with Pacquaio and Barrera? I scored both fights wide for Pacquaio who IMO beat Barrera.

It's a flawed logic. Also resume vs. resume is flawed logic too in a head to head match but it's got more logic than a "he lost to him so he can't beat him logic". I could probably give you around 500,000 analogies that prove that flawed.

I didn’t give logic. My opinion is Valero is better than Salido period. Valero isn’t given credit that he deserves because of his crash landing but he was a hell of a fighter and more than a match to beat Loma.

[chrisJS]

I didn’t give logic. My opinion is Valero is better than Salido period. Valero isn’t given credit that he deserves because of his crash landing but he was a hell of a fighter and more than a match to beat Loma.

The logic (or lack therof) was implied when you said he'd beat him because he lost to him.

I'd say Salido beats Valero in his 2nd or even 10th fight. I'd say the Lomachenko that's improved and hasn't lost a round since would make that Salido quit and would school Valero because Valero IMO was too sloppy and wasn't that skilled.

[Raggamuffin]

I've never seen Loma run in a fight so I'm not sure what would happen.

Arguello lost to 4 dudes he didn't beat including a failed title attempt before he had what in my opinion was a solid career. Henry Armstrong who I consider perhaps more than solid has unavenged early losses.

Hopkins-Mitchell. Marquez-Norwood. Does Marquez-Norwood mean he can never beat Pacquaio? Or that he can never defeat Robert Easter?

Holding the possibility of Loma/Linares against him is tedious. If Loma wins every round and makes him quit he becomes a lesser boxer? How's that logical or fair? He'll have added a lineal title and defeated a guy that's had an even better career than the murderer.

I think that you've lost yourself in your own conversation.

[Raggamuffin]

The logic (or lack therof) was implied when you said he'd beat him because he lost to him.

I'd say Salido beats Valero in his 2nd or even 10th fight. I'd say the Lomachenko that's improved and hasn't lost a round since would make that Salido quit and would school Valero because Valero IMO was too sloppy and wasn't that skilled.

Lmao. Loma would run the entire fight. And being that Loma doesn't have power wouldve made things worse for Loma too. To say that Valero wasn't that skilled shows either your true bias for Loma or your inability to analyze true skill. I'll go with your love for Loma. You've shown that in the past so ill ride with that lol.

[chrisJS]

I think that you've lost yourself in your own conversation.

Your theory is that if you have a loss early in your career that you can not beat any undefeated fighter.

[Raggamuffin]

Your theory is that if you have a loss early in your career that you can not beat any undefeated fighter.

Theory? My point is that the style of Salido always gives Loma trouble whether it was Loma's 2nd fight or 70th fight period. And I believe that Valero has more in his arsenal than Salido does along with a come forward style...therefore I believe that Valero thrashes Loma.

[chrisJS]

Lmao. Loma would run the entire fight. And being that Loma doesn't have power wouldve made things worse for Loma too. To say that Valero wasn't that skilled shows either your true bias for Loma or your inability to analyze true skill. I'll go with your love for Loma. You've shown that in the past so ill ride with that lol.

Valero had solid skills but not elite level or at least average technique. I think he'd have been schooled and broke down by Marquez and obviously blitzed by Pacquaio around that time. Loma can mix defense and offense and use angles well both. His feet would just have Valero swinging too wild and your not going to win consistent rounds like that. Valero had good upper body movement and feints but not a better frontier or thinker than Loma who'd probably have a clear strategy early. I don't think Loma had the power to take advantage of his wildness the way Marquez would have IMO but he hits often enough and frustrates enough that he'd pick up too many rounds IMO.

I'd pick Crawford over Valero via KO, I'd pick Garcia to beat him. I'd have picked Valero to wreck Linares but I can't think of many elites I'd have picked the murderer over. Castillo, Casamayor Id pick over him too perhaps not Corrales.

[Raggamuffin]

Valero had solid skills but not elite level. I think he'd have been schooled and broke down by Marquez and obviously blitzed by Pacquaio around that time. Loma can mix defense and offense and use angles well both. His feet would just have Valero swinging too wild and your not going to win consistent rounds like that. Valero had good upper body movement and feints but not a better frontier or thinker than Loma who'd probably have a clear strategy early. I don't think Loma had the power to take advantage of his wildness the way Marquez would have IMO but he hits often enough and frustrates enough that he'd pick up too many rounds IMO.

I'd pick Crawford over Valero via KO, I'd pick Garcia to beat him. I'd have picked Valero to wreck Linares but I can't think of many elites I'd have picked the murderer over. Castillo, Casamayor Id pick over him too perhaps not Corrales.

Look, I try not to let my bias get in the way of Loma. I'm old school, not old. If you don't gain revenge against a guy who beat you i do at times hold a grudge, but not for long. Loma didn't rematch Salido no matter what the circumstance was. So I have no choice but to ride with the style that gave Loma trouble. Loma didn't show me that he could over come that style. Sweatpea had to show me that he could beat a Ramirez, Shane had to show me that he could at least compete with Forrest in which he did. Many rematches have answered my questions. Even Ward beating Kov showed me that Ward could over come a guy who many said beat him.

Valero was wild but calculated. He started becoming more and more calculated and calming with each fight. Valero was getting better and better. His jab, his body punching, his legendary training...he was just getting better and better. We will never know who would beat who when it came to this guy so all we have is endless conversation of what could've been.

Floyd, Bud, and Pac will give anyone a fight. I do think that Valero had the style to beat Marquez...but I loved Marquez lol. I wouldn't pick a winner I'd just watch. No offense but Castillo, Casa, Linares, and Garcia imo don't have a chance.

[RomanReigns]

I actually think at 135. Edwin Valero KO's Lomachenko.