PED ERA vs OST ERA: Where do we draw the line when measuring past vs present fighters

[Commie]

**** Soldiers were particularly on Meth and synthetic test in the WW2 which ended 1945
Do you think it took people 20 or more years to use it in boxing ? Come on !
99 of 100 Professional boxers Are on PEDs ! Get it ! Even your savior Floyd is a Big Time PED cheat

[killakali]

1st I would like to say

THANK YOU FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR for introducing OST to boxing in 2010.






I propose that=%%) when comparing the resumes/achievements/legacy of past and present ATGs - it is important to distinguish between PED ERA (little to no drug testing -2010) or OST ERA (Olympic Style Testing +2010).

Floyd has never done OST drug testing ever. I get that this is a troll thread but Floyd only did drug testing in his training camps and not year round. To be OST you have to be available 24/7/365 and Floyd never did that. I know Nonito Donaire introduced that to the sport though.

[Dosumpthin]

**** Soldiers were particularly on Meth and synthetic test in the WW2 which ended 1945
Do you think it took people 20 or more years to use it in boxing ? Come on !
99 of 100 Professional boxers Are on PEDs ! Get it ! Even your savior Floyd is a Big Time PED cheat

“I have tried drugs before, and then I realized it’s not good for the body. I accept it, I cannot deny it, that was before, and that’s [why] I strongly support the president, that he fights illegal drugs,” he said. The drugs included methamphetamine, locally known as shabu, marijuana and *******. Pacquiao said he used them “for years” but it was when he was a teenager and before he “became a champion”.

- Manny Pacquiao 2016
http://globalnews.ca/news/2971958/boxer-manny-pacquiao-admits-to-past-meth-*******-use-amid-drug-crackdown/




METH is a banned PED AND Manny admitted he used it early on in his professional career on his way to becoming champion.

[Commie]

How Else can you Jump around for 12 rounds throwing crazy combinations

[Dosumpthin]

Floyd has never done OST drug testing ever. I get that this is a troll thread but Floyd only did drug testing in his training camps and not year round. To be OST you have to be available 24/7/365 and Floyd never did that. I know Nonito Donaire introduced that to the sport though.

Olympic STYLE Testing.

But maybe I should have wrote ABP ERA instead of OST.


Let me be clear here - ABP testing is what I'm giving Floyd his rightful credit for.



Floyd used a WADA signatory (USADA) who is required to follow WADA protocols. In Floyds case, all of his samples were target tested AND followed ABP protocols.

With ABP, the more data collected the better it works. Floyd was tested close to 20 times for May Pac throughout training camp. Prior to that, USADA has accumulated ABP data on Floyd since 2010. That's a lot to work with.



For the record : WADA Athlete Biological Passport software is the best deterrent to date and WADA believes is the future of drug testing. ABP Rules allows for testing agencies to bring forth violations without actually detecting the banned substance.




Random 365 is great in theory. Problem I don't believe it is practical for high level athletes. Secondly, ADO's tend to rely on the "fear" rather than the "science".
VADA for example (doesn't do ABP) has fighters only getting tested once maybe twice a year. Then you have rules where athletes are allowed to have an "excuse" and avoid the test. Not nearly as EFFECTIVE as 100 ABP samples during training.







So yeah......THANK YOU FLOYD for making ABP MANDATORY for your fights and setting a precedence that Boxing can build on.

[Dosumpthin]

Right? Are we really saying that in over 200 years of boxing, there is just the PED era, and now this?

Also, problem with the time when PEDs were prevalent (late 80's to late 90's would be my guess) It's hard to really tell who was and who wasn't. Mike Tyson looked like an attack dog from age 13 until he retired, no real change to his body, then you have Evander Holyfield who gained 14lbs of muscle between the second and third Bowe matches.

Unfortunately that's what we have to deal with. Example : NBA makes a clear distinction between shot clock ERA when referencing ATG stats/records. Is what it is.


For boxing there needs to be a line drawn in the sand with PEDS. This is now the OST ERA. With that, ABP Is now being implemented and PED cheats are getting exposed.


Early biological passport testing literally redefined the sport of CYCLING where peds were the norm.


We are now witnessing OST and ABP testing redefine combat sports.

[lightsout_finit]

1st I would like to say

THANK YOU FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR for introducing OST to boxing in 2010.






I propose that=%%) when comparing the resumes/achievements/legacy of past and present ATGs - it is important to distinguish between PED ERA (little to no drug testing -2010) or OST ERA (Olympic Style Testing +2010).

This is the PED era kid...

[Chuckguy]

1st I would like to say

THANK YOU FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR for introducing OST to boxing in 2010.






I propose that=%%) when comparing the resumes/achievements/legacy of past and present ATGs - it is important to distinguish between PED ERA (little to no drug testing -2010) or OST ERA (Olympic Style Testing +2010).

When was floyd tested year round? Wtf are you talking about?

[Elroy The Great]

old timers used more effective ways of cheating and its called the mob. also, it wasnt unheard of for a guy to mess around with their gloves.

theres absolutely no proof peds do anything but make a guy train ''harder''

[Morrie ATG]

Chickenweather had the best PEDS ever created. Slow motion shows him slipping shots, countering, Adolf Hilter would’ve been proud how an African American athlete absorbed such benefits and took his brain, ring IQ to the next level like no other combat athlete before him. Not even the Greeks with their super opium ****tails to avoid fatigue is unparalleled