Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: James Toney Was The Man - But I Annihilated Him!

[SonnyboyReturns]

just like joe calzaghe and antonio tarver annihilated you.

He was washed up when he fought capzaghe. Than win is meaningless.

[SonnyboyReturns]

And that could very easily be written as Mosley, Cotto, Canelo and Pacquiao .

Roy is great and so was Floyd, anything more than paying homage for two truly ATGs is just fan BS.

Floyd never beat a great fighter at or near his prime. Roy beat two.

Of course Floyd is still ATG due to consistency.

[Removed Now]

no. What it means is he was the best fighter of the last 25 years. HE wasn’t the best of the 90s. He was just getting started. The decade of the 00s was his best but Manny Pacquiao won fighter of that decade but that’s a different argument. Roy was best of the 90s

It doesn't matter my point is roy is not GOAT. And James Toney was only ranked 17th on that list by experts. That was just the last 25 years if you go back 100 James wouldn't be ranked top 50 and I could name a few boxers all time that are better than roy and I did on my last quote. I will be a man and say I miss quoted by roy is not the best and James Toney is not top 20 all time. If you wanna go back and forth save it. You can say your insults I am not the only person on here that's saying this. There's a lot of roy myth busters here. Look at the list. Floyd is better, SRL,SRR, Kid Chocolate, Jack Johnson, Duran, Aaron Pryor. Was roy great hell yea was but not goat. Say all your kitty Kat fairy love affair I ain't listening. Ruiz was trash, Mike was old. Benard beat him in the rematch.

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He was washed up when he fought capzaghe. Than win is meaningless.

He took the money, he took the fight, he took the lost period. Hopkins did better vs zaghe then he did.

[SonnyboyReturns]

He took the money, he took the fight, he took the lost period. Hopkins did better vs zaghe then he did.

So did countless other fighters past and present. Doesn't change the fact that Roy was washed up when he fought calzaghe.

[killakali]

It doesn't matter my point is roy is not GOAT. And James Toney was only ranked 17th on that list by experts. That was just the last 25 years if you go back 100 James wouldn't be ranked top 50 and I could name a few boxers all time that are better than roy and I did on my last quote. I will be a man and say I miss quoted by roy is not the best and James Toney is not top 20 all time. If you wanna go back and forth save it. You can say your insults I am not the only person on here that's saying this. There's a lot of roy myth busters here. Look at the list. Floyd is better, SRL,SRR, Kid Chocolate, Jack Johnson, Duran, Aaron Pryor. Was roy great hell yea was but not goat. Say all your kitty Kat fairy love affair I ain't listening. Ruiz was trash, Mike was old. Benard beat him in the rematch.

No fighter from the list of last 25 years is an ATG top 10 fighter of all time probably not top 10 either. Toney isn't a top 50 atg but at his time he was really good and made it to #1 p4p. And that list was by ESPN. One man's opinion

[richardt]

James Toney and Ruiz is your hall of fame ticket? Hmmmmmmmmmmm

How about over 15 future, current, and former world champions at the time, and you mention Hopkins was early which is BS because both were top contenders fighting for a world title and Jones won despite having a fractured wrist.

[richardt]

Wasn't there an undefeated Polish guy in his weight class that he didn't fight to fight Ruiz? Hmmmmm

You obviously dont know **** about Jones and his career. 1. Murad Muhammad went to Germany to negotiate a fight in Germany between the two and DM's promoter and Universum head Klaus Peter Kohl wanted to pay DM double what they were offering Jones. Jones was being offered the usual 5Mill he normally makes, DM was to get either 8Mill or 10Mill.

2. DM was scheduled to fight Telesco on ESPN to build his brand in the US and Marty Mulcahy even showed the scheduling of the fight on his fight schedule on fight news dot com. DM pulled out because there was not enough money. This was during the time when Telesco was a top contender.

3. DM was offered a co main event on HBO but declined due to the money, despite the fact that he could have parlayed that into huge cash and a top fight against Jones.

4. Klaus Peter Kohl was often unavailable for phone calls, this fact was documented through research by fight news dot com.

An article:


In 2001, Roy's advisor Brad Jacobs, met with Kerry Davis VP for HBO, and they tried desperately to make the fight.

Peter Kohl who was DM's advisor was never available to sit down and discuss terms. He was also never available via phone, and he wouldn't even name a figure to get the ball rolling.

HBO also proposed the idea of a double header to hype the fight. A lot of U.S. fans had hardly seen DM fight, so HBO wanted to put both fighters on the same bill, to stir interest in a fight.

This was turned down by Kohl.

If DM and Kohl had've been serious about a fight, they never would have turned down that opportunity.

Murad Muhammad gave an interview in 2003, and he said that DM was asking for a $6M purse, and he was making between $1-1.5M per fight in Germany.

According to an interview a few years back with Roy, HBO actually offered DM $5M, and he turned it down.

All you have to do, is go and look at DM's resume, to see how serious he was about fighting the likes of Roy, Tarver and Harding etc. He never left his comfort zone in Germany. He was happy defending his WBO belt for decent money against C class fighters, some of which had already been beaten easily by Roy.

If DM and Kohl had wanted Roy bad enough, they'd have agreed to the double header, which was a great idea, and then afterwards they'd have fought Roy.

Instead they turned down the opportunity to instead fight Hall, Harmon and De Grandis.

That's how bad they wanted Roy.

They turned down $5M for Roy, to fight Joey De Grandis for $1-1.5M.

DM was all talk.

And the Ruiz fight was years past the expiration date for the Dariusz fight who lost the same year and hung up his gloves 2 years later.

So cut the "Hmmmmm" crap because you dont know ****, that is very obvious.

[VG_Addict]

Where do you rank RJJ on the ATG list?

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So did countless other fighters past and present. Doesn't change the fact that Roy was washed up when he fought calzaghe.

Ok. Your point still stands and so does mine. That lost counts against his books. Roy should had hanged it up, but he's still getting folded in the ring.