Comments Thread For: Matthysse-Kiram HBO Doubleheader Peaks at 769,000 Viewers

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mr dunny, why do you refuse to acknowledge the effect on the nielsen ratings when showtime makes their fights available on so many platforms nielsen doesn't count while HBO refuses to do so because they want to artificially inflate the nielsen number?

[The Gambler1981]

You can't grab a high water mark Internal BS HBO numbers and not provide the same for Showtime it's that simple. If you know what the real number shareholder number is for Showtime that includes internal subscriptions outside 3rd party providers by all means post it. But don't be ****** and act like HBO subscriptions don't inflate from 34M - 49M and Showtime just stays the exact same with 0 subscriptions outside of cable/Satelite. Not after all the BS you went through about apples to apples lol Nielson numbers are the closet we have for unbiased comparison.


If that was your point from day 1 you could of made that and we would of been in agreement because HBO is doing close to 33% and at time over 50% better in ratings for these fights while being NOWHERE those % in fewer homes regardless what numbers you twist. But you can't expect to throw a 40% claim out there that is just factually way off and not get push back.

I really don't care, and Showtimes probably would be higher but how much, if Showtime is not over 35 million it is a 30 to 40% difference. I don't think Showtime is over 35 million, not with their slate of original programming or movies, could be wrong but whatever.

HBO is bigger than Showtime by a good amount and HBO had been really pulling ahead in recent years and that trend really hasn't changed but maybe with Showtime being cheaper they closed that gap in total numbers by more than I think.

Like I said though I don't really care much just if you want to be honest about the comparison you have to equal it out, and compare from there. It is somewhere between 15% and like 30-35% adjustment, if you adjust the low end the numbers look really similar which makes sense as boxing draws what boxing does on premium cable, the high end would favor Showtime with the better programming which makes sense also because better boxing should draw more eyes.


Those are the two cases really that can be made from all this.

[bigdunny1]

mr dunny, why do you refuse to acknowledge the effect on the nielsen ratings when showtime makes their fights available on so many platforms nielsen doesn't count while HBO refuses to do so because they want to artificially inflate the nielsen number?

Because like others have told your dumb azzz you can watch HBO live streams which also don't show up on Nielson. You act like Showtime is the only channel out there that has to deal with lower ratings over the years because of streaming. You can't have it both ways. HBO offers streaming idiot they do it through Cable/Satelite provider logins such as Xfinity app, ect. And they also offer live streams for 100% cord cutters who don't have Cable/Satelite via Directv Now, Playstation Vue, Sling TV ect. If you want to stream HBO instead of traditional watch HBO you have the option. I know this for a fact because that's how I watched the fight this weekend via stream. But according to you if the showtime ratings suck it's because nobody watches showtime fights on Cable/Satelite they all only stream and you can only watch the HBO fight on Cable/Satelite. lol It's an iidotic premise. ESPN, SHowtime, HBO all in the same boat and have to deal with streaming eating away at Nielson ratings. Nobody knows and can accurately track the streaming numbers so it's ****** to bring them up in argument when everyone deals with it and you can't validate those numbers. So all we can go on is the ratings we have. Its a crutch you use to try and sweep under the rug lousy showtime ratings.

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Because like others have told your dumb azzz you can watch HBO live streams which also don't show up on Nielson. You act like Showtime is the only channel out there that has to deal with lower ratings over the years because of streaming.

HBO does not offer live streaming on HBO GO. Showtime does offer live streaming on Showtime Anytime. These are the apps that are available to the vast majority of their subscribers.

HBO does not offer a late night replay of their fights. Showtime does offer a late night replay of their fights. Every move HBO makes is to get you to watch the first airing live to preserve the Nielsen number. Clearly, Showtime doesn't care about the Nielsen number.

HBO makes you wait several days before their fights are available on demand and on HBO GO. Showtime makes their fights available very quickly. HBO subscribers know if they don't watch live, it's going to be a pain in the ass to watch later. Showtime makes watching later as easy as possible.

HBO does not make the entire broadcast available on demand or on HBO GO. They only allow you to watch portions of the broadcast and you still have to wait several days. Showtime makes the entire broadcast available very quickly. Again, to make it as easy as possible to watch however you want, Nielsen numbers be damned.

You can't ignore the fact that clearly HBO is doing everything possible to artificially prop up the Nielsen number while Showtime is doing the exact opposite.

HBO does allow live streaming via "TV everywhere" type services through your cable company, but they do this because you're watching a linear feed through a standard cable/satellite lineup and this is counted towards Nielsen.

Remove the bias, analyze the facts honestly, and it's incredibly clear that HBO's numbers are propped up by making it such a pain in the ass to watch the fights in other ways. Again, Showtime does the exact opposite. Which is why the numbers are down so much since they began offering the fights in so many new ways that HBO is refusing to do.

[bigdunny1]

HBO offer the same thing they just offer it with 3rd party apps you idiot. Instead of logging into HBOGO for their on demand content you login to your cable/satellite provider app to watch the fight live. No difference. If you don't have provider you go to any one of the streaming providers and pay the exact same price for HBO but get live stream such as directvNow which is how I watched the fight this weekend. How many folks have to tell you they watch the fight via streaming till you get this.

And it's a lie that these 3rd party apps are tracked in Nielson some apps have the ability to opt in most by default have this turned off and some don't and even give you the option. And even the ones that do Nielson can't accurately track live streaming. They are getting better at tracking ondemand streams but Streaming is the wild wild west right now Nielson keeps saying they will start tracking live but don't it's too difficult and there is no standard. So bringing up streaming is worthless.

And I don't know why you bringing up replays. lol So showtime ratings suck because folks intentionally don't want to watch it live? Now you are struggling. And numbers you don't know and you can't prove tell you that folks are streaming showtime fights at exponentially higher rates then HBO? None of showtime woes have to do with in the height of their popularity haymon splitting with golden boy and taking all his fighters to other networks to spend half a billion on PBC fishing for a network TV deal? And losing canelo and floyd to retirement their only ppv fighters and not developing any new ones to take their place?? if you look at the ratings they fell off the map early 2015 over the the same time all these events happened but listening to you everyone of their viewers got on a email chain and said starting now let's only watch fights via the hidden showtime app and next day replays. Over a span of months their ratings tanked by 50% in 2015. That's not because of streaming you idiot. And they have struggled to regain their ratings ever since. This is a excuse to hide a trend that started 3 years ago. There are more factors you are blatantly ignoring for why one day they were competing with HBO in ratings and fell off a cliff the next.

[N/A]

HBO offer the same thing they just offer it with 3rd party apps you idiot.

#1 - That's not true.

#2 - If you truly believe I am an idiot, I have an offer for you that you should be very eager to accept. Each of us can wager a large sum and have our intelligence tested by a leading agency at the same place at the same time. Whoever tests higher wins all of the money and the loser has to pay all of the expenses. If I'm an idiot as you claim, and not a a successful intelligent adult as I claim, this is easy money for you. You can name the stakes. Anywhere between $10,000 and $100,000 is fine with me. Let me know if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is. If not, don't make any excuses, politely declining is fine.

Instead of logging into HBOGO for their on demand content you login to your cable/satellite provider app to watch the fight live. No difference.

BIG DIFFERENCE. When you watch the fight live through DirecTV Everywhere or a similar cable service, you are watching the linear feed directly through your provider's channel guide and these viewers are counted by Nielsen. That is why HBO allows it. Every move HBO makes revolves around preserving the Nielsen number.

Many telco providers don't have extensive linear TV everywhere options or don't have HBO included. But pretty much everybody has HBO GO. HBO GO can be used on way more devices. The publicly released Nielsen number for HBO boxing would take a significant hit if you could a) watch live on HBO GO, b) watch the entire broadcast later on HBO GO, c) watch VOD on HBO GO right away instead of waiting several days, etc. There's no denying that HBO is artificially propping up their Nielsen numbers while clearly Showtime doesn't give a ****.

If you don't have provider you go to any one of the streaming providers and pay the exact same price for HBO but get live stream such as directvNow which is how I watched the fight this weekend.

Hahaha thank you for sinking your own argument. DirecTV NOW is included by Nielsen. You're watching a linear feed through DirecTV's program guide. Ready to give up yet?

And it's a lie that these 3rd party apps are tracked in Nielson some apps have the ability to opt in most by default have this turned off and some don't and even give you the option. And even the ones that do Nielson can't accurately track live streaming.

The vast majority of viewers are being tracked and they can extrapolate the data to make up for those not being tracked.

So no, it's not a lie that these 3rd party apps are being tracked. If a 3rd party app is showing an HBO fight live, chances are it's being tracked. There's a reason HBO allows live on these platforms but refuses to allow it on HBO GO. They don't want to harm their Nielsen numbers. Plain and simple. There's a reason they make you wait days to see the fights on HBO GO. There's a reason they only post portions of the broadcast on HBO GO. The vast majority of HBO subscribers have HBO GO. Almost all of them. HBO NOW is a very very small percentage of HBO subscribers. DirecTV Now, DirecTV Everywhere, and similar services are tracked by Nielsen. There's a method to HBO's madness. If Nielsen is tracking, they'll let the fights be shown live.

And I don't know why you bringing up replays. lol So showtime ratings suck because folks intentionally don't want to watch it live?

The point is that Showtime makes it as easy as possible to not watch live while HBO makes it as difficult as possible to not watch live. Obviously that's going to have an effect on the live rating. People are busy. There are other sporting events. Showtime subscribers have a million ways to watch and there is no downside to not watching live. With HBO, if you don't watch live, your options are bare. This is done intentionally. If it didn't have an effect, HBO wouldn't do it.

[j.razor]

Mattessee has a lot of hype around him he k.o.'s fighters Spence is trapped in that cappy pbc bubble he needs Golden boy promotions

You still promoting losers? Spence is on the winning team.

[MasterPlan]

Let's be real here, numbers aside. We were all here on the forum the past 2 weekends. We know what fight night was being discussed here and which fight(s) the people here were looking forward too. I can tell you it wasn't the Matthyesse/Linares double.

[North Star]

#1 - That's not true.

#2 - If you truly believe I am an idiot, I have an offer for you that you should be very eager to accept. Each of us can wager a large sum and have our intelligence tested by a leading agency at the same place at the same time. Whoever tests higher wins all of the money and the loser has to pay all of the expenses. If I'm an idiot as you claim, and not a a successful intelligent adult as I claim, this is easy money for you. You can name the stakes. Anywhere between $10,000 and $100,000 is fine with me. Let me know if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is. If not, don't make any excuses, politely declining is fine.




BIG DIFFERENCE. When you watch the fight live through DirecTV Everywhere or a similar cable service, you are watching the linear feed directly through your provider's channel guide and these viewers are counted by Nielsen. That is why HBO allows it. Every move HBO makes revolves around preserving the Nielsen number.

Many telco providers don't have extensive linear TV everywhere options or don't have HBO included. But pretty much everybody has HBO GO. HBO GO can be used on way more devices. The publicly released Nielsen number for HBO boxing would take a significant hit if you could a) watch live on HBO GO, b) watch the entire broadcast later on HBO GO, c) watch VOD on HBO GO right away instead of waiting several days, etc. There's no denying that HBO is artificially propping up their Nielsen numbers while clearly Showtime doesn't give a ****.




Hahaha thank you for sinking your own argument. DirecTV NOW is included by Nielsen. You're watching a linear feed through DirecTV's program guide. Ready to give up yet?




The vast majority of viewers are being tracked and they can extrapolate the data to make up for those not being tracked.

So no, it's not a lie that these 3rd party apps are being tracked. If a 3rd party app is showing an HBO fight live, chances are it's being tracked. There's a reason HBO allows live on these platforms but refuses to allow it on HBO GO. They don't want to harm their Nielsen numbers. Plain and simple. There's a reason they make you wait days to see the fights on HBO GO. There's a reason they only post portions of the broadcast on HBO GO. The vast majority of HBO subscribers have HBO GO. Almost all of them. HBO NOW is a very very small percentage of HBO subscribers. DirecTV Now, DirecTV Everywhere, and similar services are tracked by Nielsen. There's a method to HBO's madness. If Nielsen is tracking, they'll let the fights be shown live.




The point is that Showtime makes it as easy as possible to not watch live while HBO makes it as difficult as possible to not watch live. Obviously that's going to have an effect on the live rating. People are busy. There are other sporting events. Showtime subscribers have a million ways to watch and there is no downside to not watching live. With HBO, if you don't watch live, your options are bare. This is done intentionally. If it didn't have an effect, HBO wouldn't do it.

I watched the fight on Saturday on HBO, streaming through DirecTV Now. Some providers like PS Vue have cloud DVR, so they can watch whenever it pleases them.

Regardless of all this. Ratings problems at Showtime are nobody's fault but their own. Same with HBO, any ratings issue is their own problem. Handing out excuses to cheerlead one network is lame. Excuses do nothing to the actual reported numbers.

[Facundo7]

I am surprised to see 769k people watched this card. Was a really bad card-Linares was way better than Gesta and Matthysse/Kirwan ****** until the KO.

screw u!!! matthysse is a very amazing figther to see. even thought, the fight was bad it doesnt mean that matthysse is a boring fighter. he fought the fight of the year against molina jr, he fought the fight of the year against provonikov, he made the ko of the year candidate against dallas jr. come on guys, matthysse is great!!!