Eastern European boxing revolution

**Tony Trick-Pony** · 01-28-2018, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by DramaShow

What usyk and lomachenko have done is unheard of. In 13 fights usyk has breidis and glowacki on his cv whilst Lomachenko has Russell,rigondeaux , Walters on his record. If usyk wins the tournament then he's a top 5 p4p fighter at the very least (when you consider ward was top 3 minimum for winning the 168 tournament which lets face it was hardly murderers row). In fact theres a case to be made that hes not far from there already, whilst Lomachenko is p4p number 1 in even less fights.Although these fighters attract a lot of hate and are detested by many, I think they have been great for the sport, no ****ing around waiting for almost 40 fights before choosing to challenge themselves. Let's hope this paves the way for other fighters to choose the 'fast track'route and risk a loss rather than play it safe and protect the '0' at all cost. This could be an exciting new era in boxing...

They are very great for the sport.

I'm wondering if Usyk is going to pop up on P4P lists after his win today. He definitely should.

**kidbazooka** · 01-28-2018, 06:28 AM

Stiff robotic and overrated by there own fans.

They are very basic and nothing special.

Dorticos is the class of the division.

Nuff said.

**g27region** · 01-28-2018, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Tony Trick-Pony

They are very great for the sport.

I'm wondering if Usyk is going to pop up on P4P lists after his win today. He definitely should.

There's bigger chance he would be p4p for beating the worst current heavyweight fighter right now than for cleaning whole CW division combined

**Shrap** · 01-28-2018, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by kidbazooka

Stiff robotic and overrated by there own fans.

They are very basic and nothing special.

Dorticos is the class of the division.

Nuff said.

Wrong Europeans. Try again.

**Mr Objecitivity** · 01-28-2018, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by DramaShow

What usyk and lomachenko have done is unheard of. In 13 fights usyk has breidis and glowacki on his cv whilst Lomachenko has Russell,rigondeaux , Walters on his record. If usyk wins the tournament then he's a top 5 p4p fighter at the very least (when you consider ward was top 3 minimum for winning the 168 tournament which lets face it was hardly murderers row). In fact theres a case to be made that hes not far from there already, whilst Lomachenko is p4p number 1 in even less fights.Although these fighters attract a lot of hate and are detested by many, I think they have been great for the sport, no ****ing around waiting for almost 40 fights before choosing to challenge themselves. Let's hope this paves the way for other fighters to choose the 'fast track'route and risk a loss rather than play it safe and protect the '0' at all cost. This could be an exciting new era in boxing...

Great thread and I totally agree! Green K sent! Don't forget Oleksandr Gvozdyk too. These Ukrainian boxers are some of the most talented and skilled in the world. They have revolutionized the sport of boxing and have added new dimensions / styles to it. It's nothing but positive for the sport of boxing.

**soul_survivor** · 01-28-2018, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by DramaShow

What usyk and lomachenko have done is unheard of. In 13 fights usyk has breidis and glowacki on his cv whilst Lomachenko has Russell,rigondeaux , Walters on his record. If usyk wins the tournament then he's a top 5 p4p fighter at the very least (when you consider ward was top 3 minimum for winning the 168 tournament which lets face it was hardly murderers row). In fact theres a case to be made that hes not far from there already, whilst Lomachenko is p4p number 1 in even less fights.Although these fighters attract a lot of hate and are detested by many, I think they have been great for the sport, no ****ing around waiting for almost 40 fights before choosing to challenge themselves. Let's hope this paves the way for other fighters to choose the 'fast track'route and risk a loss rather than play it safe and protect the '0' at all cost. This could be an exciting new era in boxing...

These guys have been fast tracked because they had HUGE amateur careers. Some guys come into the pro ranks in their late teens, early 20s and need that time to develop because their am careers were much shorter.

That out of the way, it is good to see Usyk working his way through the cw, although he didn't look that good. Twice in a row now. He was somewhat roughed up against HUck and even more so against Breidis. In fact, Bredis looked to be the more accurate puncher throughout.

The winner of the tournament will likely hold all the 200lb belts, which will be great.

Loma has had the far more impressive performances but lacks a legacy in any of the divisions he has fought in. Maybe he sticks around at LW and picks up 2 or 3 belts. That is a crucial aspect of being truly great.

Neither guy is deserving of hate thus far and are fr ahead of, for example, Mikey who has spent years fighting nobodies, or heck, Ward who spent years fighting nobodies.

I do however think there is a long way to go for both guys to be considered out and out greats.

**Mr Objecitivity** · 01-28-2018, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by soul_survivor

These guys have been fast tracked because they had HUGE amateur careers. Some guys come into the pro ranks in their late teens, early 20s and need that time to develop because their am careers were much shorter.

That out of the way, it is good to see Usyk working his way through the cw, although he didn't look that good. Twice in a row now. He was somewhat roughed up against HUck and even more so against Breidis. In fact, Bredis looked to be the more accurate puncher throughout.

The winner of the tournament will likely hold all the 200lb belts, which will be great.

Loma has had the far more impressive performances but lacks a legacy in any of the divisions he has fought in. Maybe he sticks around at LW and picks up 2 or 3 belts. That is a crucial aspect of being truly great.

Neither guy is deserving of hate thus far and are fr ahead of, for example, Mikey who has spent years fighting nobodies, or heck, Ward who spent years fighting nobodies.

I do however think there is a long way to go for both guys to be considered out and out greats.

That part is true! However, there have been many other boxers who have had just as much amateur experience but didn't step up in competition in the pros anywhere near as fast as Lomachenko or Usyk have done. In fact, there have been boxers with even more amateur experience than Lomachenko that have taken far more pro fights before stepping up in competition and figthting against top or elite level opponents.

**Sadiqkingofko** · 01-28-2018, 09:19 AM

I don't know why Loma and Usyk get compared so much, Usyk has struggled twice now and he was lucky to get the nod in a close fight, Loma mentally ****s his opponents

**Chollo Vista** · 01-28-2018, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by DramaShow

What usyk and lomachenko have done is unheard of. In 13 fights usyk has breidis and glowacki on his cv whilst Lomachenko has Russell,rigondeaux , Walters on his record. If usyk wins the tournament then he's a top 5 p4p fighter at the very least (when you consider ward was top 3 minimum for winning the 168 tournament which lets face it was hardly murderers row). In fact theres a case to be made that hes not far from there already, whilst Lomachenko is p4p number 1 in even less fights.Although these fighters attract a lot of hate and are detested by many, I think they have been great for the sport, no ****ing around waiting for almost 40 fights before choosing to challenge themselves. Let's hope this paves the way for other fighters to choose the 'fast track'route and risk a loss rather than play it safe and protect the '0' at all cost. This could be an exciting new era in boxing...

If boxing stopped today, which current Eastern European fighters would be in the HOF?

Eastern European boxing revolution