Comments Thread For: Adonis Stevenson vs. Eleider Alvarez Will Happen, Says Michel

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Wilder isn’t avoided. The fact is wilder brings nothing to the Table.

He brings more to the table than anybody in the division other than Joshua. So essentially you're claiming nobody in the heavyweight division is avoided. Not Wilder, not King Kong, not anybody. Is that really the hill you want to die on? You need to think through your positions more. You're so desperate to troll that you end up trapped in positions you didn't even intend.

Wilder he never even made 2 million for a fight and Joseph Parker is about to make 9.4 million.

#1 - You have no idea what Wilder makes for his fights because misleading numbers are filed with the commission to save on taxes and sanctioning fees. #2 - Wilder made over $5 million from the Povetkin fight even though it didn't take place because he successfully sued to received the money being held in escrow.

#2 - Wilder will make a LOT more than $9.4 million when he fights Joshua.

Wilder should be happy to take 40% vs joshua.

He will gladly accept 40%. But if he publicly admits right now that he'll accept 60/40, there's no way he'll wind up with 60/40. He has to maintain his 50/50 position for now. Hearn will come in at 70/30. And they'll settle on 60/40. That is how this works.

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He's not. Stevenson takes whatever is the biggest money option he's presented with. Stevenson vs. Alvarez two years ago isn't a big money fight because nobody knew who Alvarez was and Showtime wasn't interested in the fight.

Stevenson vs. Jack is a bigger fight for bigger money, so that's the fight Stevenson is taking. How can you criticize a guy for taking the bigger fight against the higher ranked competition?




Until last year, Jack was fighting at super middleweight. He moved to light heavyweight and called out Stevenson and Stevenson said okay. Now they're fighting. Do you see how ****** you sound when you say stuff like this?




Kovalev was Stevenson's mandatory. The fight was ordered by the WBC. Stevenson said yes. Kovalev said no, vacated his mandatory position and blatantly ducked Stevenson. How are you not aware of this?

u are so full of it. so u said, “Stevenson vs. Alvarez two years ago isn't a big money fight because nobody knew who Alvarez was and Showtime wasn't interested in the fight.”

Yet Stevenson fought Sukhotsy who no one knew who who he was, Bika (who Showtime wasn’t interested), Karpency, and even Top dogg. See the flaws in your argument. Alvarez could have been the opponent instead of bika (who wasn’t a light heavyweight) or Karpency so stop it. Why didn’t Stevenson demand a nkrenwell known opponent since u say that is so important to him gtfoh

[killakali]

You can't get caught lying over and over, change the subject every time with 30 more lies and still expect me to spend my time responding to everything you post. If you want to have a reasonable conversation in good faith, I'd be happy to discuss whatever you wish, but if you're going to continue throwing **** at the wall and hoping something sticks, I'm not going to fall for it.

PBC didn't have to give Spence anything. He was already scheduled for three fights in 2018. His January fight was really just his second fight from 2017, but it got delayed by a month. When the fight was delayed, he was assured it wouldn't count as one of his 2018 dates and he'd still get two more fights.

Spence's filed purse was $1.2 million. Based on others in the PBC universe, I don't see how that's a "massive overpay."




First of all, you have no idea who is happy and unhappy. You just believe everything you're spoon fed by the HBO propaganda machine.

Second of all, most fighters are unhappy with their activity and money regardless of who their promoter or manager is. There are very few big money TV dates to go around. Haymon's fighters can fight as often as they want, but if they want big money, they have to wait for a date from Showtime.

Haymon hasn't lost anybody that affects his control of any of the divisions he's heavily invested in. Jacobs switched sides because 160 was an HBO controlled weight class and he could still be waiting a long time before he gets a big fight.

Like with all things, Haymon is treated with a double standard. Arum, DLH, etc will have guys on the shelf forever and you never hear a peep, but somehow Haymon is expected to keep 200 fighters busy at all times with major money fights even if 150 of those guys would be making peanuts fighting for anybody else.

You saw who was on the stage at the SHO Upfront presentation. That is Haymon's meat and potatoes. Which of those guys are you claiming he's about to lose?

more holes I. Your stories. Spence's filed purse was $1.2 million. Based on others in the PBC universe, I don't see how that's a "massive overpay." You say u are in the boxing business. U know what’s filed with the commission isn’t what the fighter actually gets right?

Your right about those fighters being his meat and potatoes but the defections of Selby and Frampton severely cut his control of the featherweight division. With Beterbiev gone and Gvozdyk forcing himself into a wbc mandatory position he’s about to lose the small piece he had on 175. Matthysse now has a belt at 147 that was Peterson’s. It’s impossible to control all the belts.

PBC will need to wilder away from Joshua at all costs or they won’t have anything st heavyweight either.

[killakali]

He brings more to the table than anybody in the division other than Joshua. So essentially you're claiming nobody in the heavyweight division is avoided. Not Wilder, not King Kong, not anybody. Is that really the hill you want to die on? You need to think through your positions more. You're so desperate to troll that you end up trapped in positions you didn't even intend.




#1 - You have no idea what Wilder makes for his fights because misleading numbers are filed with the commission to save on taxes and sanctioning fees. #2 - Wilder made over $5 million from the Povetkin fight even though it didn't take place because he successfully sued to received the money being held in escrow.

#2 - Wilder will make a LOT more than $9.4 million when he fights Joshua.




He will gladly accept 40%. But if he publicly admits right now that he'll accept 60/40, there's no way he'll wind up with 60/40. He has to maintain his 50/50 position for now. Hearn will come in at 70/30. And they'll settle on 60/40. That is how this works.

now your going in circles. You just said that Spende has a filed 1.2 purse so how is that an overpay and now u say that wilder makes more than his field purse. This is why u have zero credibility. You shoot from the hip making stuff up to suit your argument. I know for a fact wilder has never made more than 2 million for a fight.

I said Joshua is the cash cow and he is and it’s not close. He makes 15-20mil a fight. I said wilder isn’t avoided and he isn’t. I never said the whole division isn’t avoided. Luis Ortiz is one of the few who is avoided and props to wilder for wanting to fight him but wilder isn’t avoided. Stevenson isn’t avoided. If u want to name pbc guys who are avoided Selby wanted no parts of GRJ. Thurman and Porter obviously don’t want anything to do with Spence. That is being avoided. Not wilder and Stevenson.

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now your going in circles. You just said that Spende has a filed 1.2 purse so how is that an overpay and now u say that wilder makes more than his field purse. This is why u have zero credibility. You shoot from the hip making stuff up to suit your argument. I know for a fact wilder has never made more than 2 million for a fight.

You can't keep blaming me for you being so simple minded. I said what Spence's filed purse was. I didn't say that's what he gets paid. Everybody in the industry knows Haymon deflates the filed number. However, we can still compare Spence's filed number with the filed number of other PBC fighters to get some perspective of where he is in the pecking order. Based on the filed numbers in the PBC universe, $1.2 million is not a massive overpay.

We already know, publicly, for a fact, that Wilder made over $5 million for a fight. So who is the one making stuff up?

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u are so full of it. so u said, “Stevenson vs. Alvarez two years ago isn't a big money fight because nobody knew who Alvarez was and Showtime wasn't interested in the fight.”

Yet Stevenson fought Sukhotsy who no one knew who who he was, Bika (who Showtime wasn’t interested), Karpency, and even Top dogg. See the flaws in your argument.

None of the fights you listed were purchased for Showtime Championship Boxing either. Look at how ****** you are. To prove that Showtime would have bought Alvarez for Showtime Championship Boxing, you list a bunch of fights they DIDN'T buy for Showtime Championship Boxing. Let that sink in for a second. You're so eager to disagree that you'll literally say anything.

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You ought to be ashamed of yourself as a fan spewing such crap. Chickenson sought shelter in the arms of his uncle Haymon when he's about to be fed to Kovalev. Even Espinoza chimed in and approved of such duck move justifying it saying Chickenson would have a bigger fight with Hopkins eventually. Guess what, the Hopkins fight never happened. Hopkins got sick of Chickenson's pu55iness and fought a bigger threat in Kovalev. You're not saying Kov is not a huge win for Ward, are you? Or are you saying Ward ducked Chickenson also?

Not a few fans remember that very clearly.
GBP was in good terms with Haymon and
Hopkins was happy fighting on Showtime.
He clearly would have preferred to fight Stevenson,
instead of Kovalev on HBO.
Don't know what the hell happened.
Stevenson's **** was splattered all over the place.

[killakali]

You can't keep blaming me for you being so simple minded. I said what Spence's filed purse was. I didn't say that's what he gets paid. Everybody in the industry knows Haymon deflates the filed number. However, we can still compare Spence's filed number with the filed number of other PBC fighters to get some perspective of where he is in the pecking order. Based on the filed numbers in the PBC universe, $1.2 million is not a massive overpay.

We already know, publicly, for a fact, that Wilder made over $5 million for a fight. So who is the one making stuff up?

Wrong again. He was going to get $5mil for a fight that fell through. He didn't fight the fight so any money he collected wasn't for the fight but for the fact the fight fell through. That is the truth but you love to spin things. For any fight that he stepped through the ropes he's never made more than $2million or even half of what Charles Martin made to hand his belt over to Joshua

[killakali]

None of the fights you listed were purchased for Showtime Championship Boxing either. Look at how ****** you are. To prove that Showtime would have bought Alvarez for Showtime Championship Boxing, you list a bunch of fights they DIDN'T buy for Showtime Championship Boxing. Let that sink in for a second. You're so eager to disagree that you'll literally say anything.

Now your an idiot. Where did I say showtime moron? Stevenson could have fought Alvarez on Spike, Fox, etc. You have trouble reading. I never said Showtime would buy. Al could have bought the time on Fox, ESPN etc or put it on Spike. He could have done the fight on one his time buys like his garbage Alexander-Ortiz time buy next month. Let that sink in for a second. You're so eager to disagree that you'll literally say anything AND APPARENTLY YOU LACK IN READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS

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For any fight that he stepped through the ropes he's never made more than $2million

You have no way of knowing what he makes except for fights that go to purse bid that his side loses. Anything else is you taking the filed contract at face value, which is silly to do.