Comments Thread For: Joshua Admits That Parker's Steroid Taunts Got Under His Skin

[Little Mac 91]

Yes they got into his veins just like the steroids

[sportbuddha]

Not in terms of athleticism but Primo Carnera 6'5.5" tall, 265-275lbs of solid muscle, if anything Joshua would look small next to him, he was far wider in the shoulders and chest.

As for finding people from past era's as big as Joshua, well you have to realise most kids grew up malnourished in comparison to today. Max Baer at 6'2.5" and 210lbs was seen as a monster of a man in the 30's, does that mean 6'3" Foreman at 225lbs was doping?

As for past body builders guys like Grimek in the 30's was more heavily muscled than Joshua or any other boxer. He was shorter true but so was almost every body back then. As people's nutrition got better, more food became available people got taller or is everyone on HGH?

Having said all this Joshua is probably doping it's naive to think in this day and age any athlete is 100% for certain clean. He could be natural but it's more likely he's doping along with the majority of elite athletes.

Well said, and prime Norton, Holmes, Foreman were all muscled and ripped massive, even Ali at his best was very muscled. Wilder fans seem to have looked passed there very own fav as well, he's hardly lacking in muscle, and he even boxes like he's got roid-rage, they wanna be careful pointing fingers cos he could well be juiced.

[sportbuddha]

AJ id the Rolls Royce of PED programming.

In the same way Armstrong was for cycling.

An arrogant, Nigerian drug dealer turned in an Humble Olympic Gold Medalist by white millionaires controlling the narrative.

Casuals drink the AJ Kool-Aid.

#stayhumble

Man, you really hate this guy, overachievers must really make you feel bad about yourself.

[Andre_parker1]

march 31st parker's gonna pay for him and his team including the asswipe higgins amateur trash talking,smash that Samoan brick head Joshua!

[Mr Objecitivity]

Based on your opening statement then, all boxers are on PEDs. Therefore every Wilder d1cksuvker should STFU hatin AJ, because he’s certainly no pie eating fat boy. Based on your latter statement about the ineffectiveness of testing. In a way they are applying a playing field leveller, they force at least an upper tolerance of testosterone (and other hormones and blood platelets etc) for instance, therefore to cheat you have to find more sophisticated albeit smaller gains, but’s it’s not really cheating in that instance after all both fighters operate under same regime.

On the other comparison, Body building isn’t really a sport, it’s like WWE, let’s just forget about that, but having said that, there are set of rules that govern Natural body building, check out the 2017 Mr Olympia, he doesn’t look much like the 1935 champion either, that’s because of advances in sports science and inevitably he is taking performance enhancements that conform to the rules of competition.

- Yes, as stated, I believe practically every athlete in the 21st century is consuming some kind of performance enhancing drugs and are artificially enhancing their athletic performance in one way or another.

- I'm not a Wilder fan. Never claimed or indicated that I ever was. I'm actually more of a Joshua fan than a Wilder fan. So what I stated about Joshua being on performance enhancing drugs can be equally applied to Wilder too.

- When taking into consideration that to this day, every boxer that has been popped for using performance enhancing drugs has been:

1) The B side boxer
2) Relatively chubbier and fatter than the A side boxer.

One can't rationally infer that there exists any 'even playing field'. Since it's the B side boxer who isn't allowed to use performance enhancing drugs that are as beneficial as what A side boxers are allowed to get away with.

In other words, the B side boxer gets popped for using a performance enhancing drug that isn't any more beneficial than what the A side boxer uses but the A side boxer doesn't get popped.

- As stated already, one of the biggest problem is that there isn't a universally accepted standard as to which artificial chemicals should be classified as legal or illegal and the REASON behind the decision. For example, drug A is banned without there being any evidence that drug A is any more beneficial to an athlete using it than drug B is. Thus, that alone debunks the notion that drug testing exists for evening the playing field or for providing greater safety to the boxers.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Not in terms of athleticism but Primo Carnera 6'5.5" tall, 265-275lbs of solid muscle, if anything Joshua would look small next to him, he was far wider in the shoulders and chest.

As for finding people from past era's as big as Joshua, well you have to realise most kids grew up malnourished in comparison to today. Max Baer at 6'2.5" and 210lbs was seen as a monster of a man in the 30's, does that mean 6'3" Foreman at 225lbs was doping?

As for past body builders guys like Grimek in the 30's was more heavily muscled than Joshua or any other boxer. He was shorter true but so was almost every body back then. As people's nutrition got better, more food became available people got taller or is everyone on HGH?

Having said all this Joshua is probably doping it's naive to think in this day and age any athlete is 100% for certain clean. He could be natural but it's more likely he's doping along with the majority of elite athletes.

I'm not just referring to size, but athleticism + size combined. Most boxers pre 1980's that were tall and heavy like Anthony Joshua were usually sick, ill, sloppy, uncoordinated, slow, clumsy and everything else that describes someone who is 'nonathletic'.

Only since the 1990's did boxers taller than 6 foot 3 inches and heavier than 225 pounds become as athletic as they are. Before that time, any boxer who was that size was analogous to Nikolai Valuev.

As for food and malnourished boxers. What you have to understand is that what is classified as a performance enhancing drug today is so subjective and arbitrary that even some modern day foods can be classified as a performance enhancing drug. A lot of cows / beefs are pumped with steroids which average individuals from 1st and 2nd world countries eat. As such, they are artificial chemicals being consumed and whoever's eating those beefs therefore can be classified as a PED user. Those artificial chemicals didn't exist back in some of the earlier boxing eras. So that alone can be a reason why athletes in general and not just boxers are more athletic today, compared to some of the earlier eras.

Anthony Joshua weighed around 220 pounds just a few years ago in the amateurs and now he is randomly above 240 pounds with artificial looking muscles? Those events don't lend to any evidence that Joshua is natural but the opposite.

Alexander Povetkin always looked similar in terms of size from his amateur career to his current pro career. But he is the one that gets popped for PED and not Anthony Joshua. Well, obviously this should be some evidence of how non-credible drug testing is to determine whether an athlete is clean or not (no athlete today is 100% clean anyway to begin with). Just that some athletes are less artificial and more clean than others. Povetkin appears far cleaner and far less artificial than Joshua. One has to be deluded, ignorant, dishonest, ******ed or a combination of those things to not realize this.

As for Grimek, I've checked him out and even as a bodybuilder, he doesn't look quite as impressive as Joshua. I'd like to see a picture of any bodybuilder pre-1935 that had a physique which was as impressive as Joshua's.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I think relying on photo evidence from 1935 is more foolish than believing drug tests. You do make interesting points and I somewhat agree in the fact that all athletes will take some sort of supplement (I don’t think this means they’re all dirty) but your argument that no body builder from 1935 has a physique like aj falls flat for two reasons

1) we know more about strength and conditioning and what it takes to look good now than we did then. Information like the importance of good nutrition and the most effective way to build muscle wasn’t as advanced as it is now

2) I can’t actually find any photos of bodybuilders from 1935

- Define 'dirty'. If by 'dirty', you mean being unnatural and artificial, then practically every human being in the 21st century in 1st and 2nd world countries is 'dirty', never mind just athletes and especially top level athletes. Since Planet Earth itself is dirty in the 21st century. It makes no sense to assume that any athlete is going to be 100% clean and natural with that being the case.

- Today, what is classified as a PED is so subjective and arbitrary that what you call "good nutrition" may as well be classified as a PED since those 'good nutrition' are commonly filled with artificial chemicals that can potentially enhance an athlete artificially. There isn't a specific standard which is used to establish which artificial chemicals are classified as illegal banned performance enhancing drugs and which aren't.

[Fabes88]

- Define 'dirty'. If by 'dirty', you mean being unnatural and artificial, then practically every human being in the 21st century in 1st and 2nd world countries is 'dirty', never mind just athletes and especially top level athletes. Since Planet Earth itself is dirty in the 21st century. It makes no sense to assume that any athlete is going to be 100% clean and natural with that being the case.

- Today, what is classified as a PED is so subjective and arbitrary that what you call "good nutrition" may as well be classified as a PED since those 'good nutrition' are commonly filled with artificial chemicals that can potentially enhance an athlete artificially. There isn't a specific standard which is used to establish which artificial chemicals are classified as illegal banned performance enhancing drugs and which aren't.

By dirty I mean anything that’s on the banned substances list, anything that could cause you to fail a test I understand that the lines are very blurred, products that were available over the counter such as jack3d had banned supplements in them which caused Dillian Whyte to be banned.

[juggernaut666]

I'm not just referring to size, but athleticism + size combined. Most boxers pre 1980's that were tall and heavy like Anthony Joshua were usually sick, ill, sloppy, uncoordinated, slow, clumsy and everything else that describes someone who is 'nonathletic'.

Only since the 1990's did boxers taller than 6 foot 3 inches and heavier than 225 pounds become as athletic as they are. Before that time, any boxer who was that size was analogous to Nikolai Valuev.

As for food and malnourished boxers. What you have to understand is that what is classified as a performance enhancing drug today is so subjective and arbitrary that even some modern day foods can be classified as a performance enhancing drug. A lot of cows / beefs are pumped with steroids which average individuals from 1st and 2nd world countries eat. As such, they are artificial chemicals being consumed and whoever's eating those beefs therefore can be classified as a PED user. Those artificial chemicals didn't exist back in some of the earlier boxing eras. So that alone can be a reason why athletes in general and not just boxers are more athletic today, compared to some of the earlier eras.

Anthony Joshua weighed around 220 pounds just a few years ago in the amateurs and now he is randomly above 240 pounds with artificial looking muscles? Those events don't lend to any evidence that Joshua is natural but the opposite.

Alexander Povetkin always looked similar in terms of size from his amateur career to his current pro career. But he is the one that gets popped for PED and not Anthony Joshua. Well, obviously this should be some evidence of how non-credible drug testing is to determine whether an athlete is clean or not (no athlete today is 100% clean anyway to begin with). Just that some athletes are less artificial and more clean than others. Povetkin appears far cleaner and far less artificial than Joshua. One has to be deluded, ignorant, dishonest, ******ed or a combination of those things to not realize this.

As for Grimek, I've checked him out and even as a bodybuilder, he doesn't look quite as impressive as Joshua. I'd like to see a picture of any bodybuilder pre-1935 that had a physique which was as impressive as Joshua's.

Joshua is 6'6 and you dont pack on weight in your teens or early 20's . Povetkin clearly had a completely different build even for Takam than he did Klitchko . Its clear as day now his body doesnt even look like it did since being busted for peds in that short time span from Takam to Duapah .

Lennox Lewis went from about 225 to 240 as he aged . Hes been as much as 256 .

Only if i had a dollar for everytime i was accused of steroids bc i put on 25 pounds from 18 to 30 . And thats without personal nutritionist and trainers .


Another point you left out . Todays athletes have their own guys who specialize in different fields . Thats why their more athletic .

Joshua was also a triathlon athlete ,he has excellent genetics . If hes on PEDS ,he has to hold the record for the smartest athlete in history too look like that and not get caught .


On Fury ? Well obviously his body took a transformation too , just look at his Hammer and Klitchko fights and look at him from 2013 to what he reverted back too now !

Strength training itself improves performance in all sports , even a sport like Golf . Woods was athletic and did weights for lean muscle ,isnt he the best ? Modern training in itself improved athletes in all sports ,you dont need PEDS on its own . Weight or resistance training wasnt utilised back in the day nearly as much as it is common practice now with top athletes .

This is further proof to a boxers evolution of being more athletic ,theres a science to it today and anyone who disagrees dont know what their talking about .


One thing i'll agree with on is a better guide line needs to be implemented to control what a PED is .

Though its should be simple and thats anything synthetic . Banning pre work outs just muddles things up .

[sportbuddha]

- Yes, as stated, I believe practically every athlete in the 21st century is consuming some kind of performance enhancing drugs and are artificially enhancing their athletic performance in one way or another.

- I'm not a Wilder fan. Never claimed or indicated that I ever was. I'm actually more of a Joshua fan than a Wilder fan. So what I stated about Joshua being on performance enhancing drugs can be equally applied to Wilder too. ......

Fair enough, don't disagree regarding the testing standards, like you said before, not enough funding, I guess it's the age old 'the robbers get paid more than the cops' problem which always keeps them a step ahead.

You do seem to be saying something about B Sides being conspired against and A Sides being given leniency, I don't agree, but thats mainly because I don't see any evidence.

I'm not totally naive btw, I believe some fights still get fixed, I believe some back room deals get done on multi fight deals or step asides and money changes hands. I believe injuries or boxer issues definitely get brushed under the carpet and this insider info probably gets to the ears of some people that might benefit from it and not for general release. I think on the circuit there is also some things like PED use that are known about but again it's kept quiet. But, drug testing results being manipulated or focused only on catching the B side opponent and not the star...I don't think so, but hey, anythings possible I suppose.