Comments Thread For: Arum: Lomachenko's Father Must Approve 140 For Pacquiao Bout

[kushking]

The fact that Loma needs to fight guys much bigger then him for him to possibly lose says it all really. Why cant you pick someone from his weight class to fight? He just came from 126 and had only fought two 130lb fighters and one was also a 126lber moving up with him, now its time to move to 140. But but hes overrated.....

Yet you think its ok for him to feast off fw coming off horrible ass whoopings. Loma is a true 135 lb fighter,& when did I say he needs to beat someone bigger? Regardless hes already pulling a ggg 2.0 with having zero problems facing smaller no hopers but wont face elite his own size or bigger like he has his opponents do...

[Thraxox]

No chance in hell would pac be 1 if he beat loma lol.

Some would. Or him being P4P 2 behind Crawford or 3 behind GGG-Crawford.

[Boxing Logic]

^^^ all the big money fights were at 147..

i think 140 would have been better for manny too but money wise there's not that many big names to generate that type of money that they were looking for. plus they were chasing for a fight with floyd.

at this point at 140, i dont think manny will be as good as he would be years ago. but i still think he can beat loma at 140.

Jeff Horn was a big money fight? Jesse Vargas? I don't buy it. Manny could have fought Gamboa at 135 before Crawford fought him, and that fight would have generated more hype than Horn or Vargas. And there are lots of examples. Pacquiao looking spectacular, fighting the top opponents in his division, ANY DIVISION, and beating those guys, is what makes money fights, not fighting Brandon Rios and Clottey at 147. You are making the same false assumption that Top Rank has.

[Boxing Logic]

Yet you think its ok for him to feast off fw coming off horrible ass whoopings. Loma is a true 135 lb fighter,& when did I say he needs to beat someone bigger? Regardless hes already pulling a ggg 2.0 with having zero problems facing smaller no hopers but wont face elite his own size or bigger like he has his opponents do...

Uh, no... Damn casual fans everywhere spreading BS. True 135's in this day and age walk around at 155+, sometimes even 160 or 165 (i.e. Crawford when he fought at 135). Loma walks around at 140 max. Plenty of guys at 130 are bigger than him, like Berchelt, Salido, probably Miura, Walters was the same weight in the ring but was taller with a longer reach (and Walters isn't a big 130 either, he moved up from 126 same as Loma). At 135 Loma would be historically small for the division, the smallest guy at 135 we've seen in years, and certainly the smallest right now by a long shot. Loma at 140 would be absolute insanity, he would be tiny for that weight class, even smaller than Manny. Manny is a true 130 or 135 and Manny is bigger than Loma, so you do the math. And please don't spread anymore misconceptions in the meantime. Do the math and then once you know the right answers, speak about those, start spreading those to educate fans, but don't spread false answers because you haven't done the math yet. Peace.

[Boxing Logic]

They will keep picking until they are right, they don't care how dumb or ridiculous they sound.

No man that's their problem, they're "right" all the time, but not because they're actually right, it's just that corrupt refs and judges make them right, or fighters who duck until an opponent is past prime eventually make them "right." Pacquiao is so much more dominant in his prime than Floyd that Floyd ducks him, and yet they pick Floyd. Then Floyd waits until Pacquiao declines, allegedly roids up, fights in Nevada where he's allowed lidocaine injections in his hands, gets caught using illegal IVs either to drain down to an unnatural weight to get a size advantage or more likely to mask PEDs but is allowed to keep going, then the same mafia protecting him prevents Pacquiao from getting a legal injection in his injured shoulder that Floyd pulls on during the fight, then the ref lets Floyd hold the whole fight, and still Floyd fights Pacquiao even at best, but the judges give it to Floyd of course, and now suddenly all these guys are like "I told you so all along. I just knew Floyd would beat Pacquiao! He was always better! I was right and this proves it!"

Same thing with all these fights. They pick Ward to beat Kovalev, get proven wrong once the fight happens, but the judges fix the outcome anyway and make them right on paper.

Same with GGG. They hate white boxers so naturally they call him a hypejob. He's such a hypejob that no top fighter at 154, 160, or 168 will fight him during his prime. Then when he finally declines, Jacobs and Canelo agree to fight him, and he still arguably wins both fights, but can't dominate like he did in his prime. "See, Jacobs and Canelo exposed him. I told you he was a great white hype all along."

This has gone on for years. The reason they are constantly wrong is because they are so used to being rewarded for being wrong. They are so used to being told they're right by these corrupt judges/refs, or as a result of ducking, that they always believe they're right. That's why they were so brazen in picking Rigo over Loma. They believe their picks themselves the last decade have been right, rather than corruption. They don't understand what's really been going on. So for them it was business as usual, picking the slick defensive dirty black boxer to beat the clean boxing foreigner. They didn't realize that it was actually advantages outside the ring (like age, drug testing corruption, etc) and corrupt refs and judges that had made them "right" in the past, not the boxers they picked actually being better, so they didn't realize that Loma-Rigo was the rare situation where none of those advantages actually existed for their guy. Due to Rigo being the financial B-side in the fight, unlike is usually the case with black boxers (usually American) fighting foreigners, the corrupt boxing industry had no motivation to protect him. The black ref still seemed to be doing somewhat of a bro code act with Rigo in the ring, letting him hold behind the head and punch, and clinch extensively, before finally taking a point way later than he should have, but that was it. Were the judges going to rob Loma in favor of Rigo if it was close? probably not. And most importantly, Rigo hadn't been able to wait until Loma got old while he was still in his prime. This time, Rigo was the older one, which is again a big change from what they're used to (GGG is older than Canelo and Jacobs, Kovalev is older than Ward, Pacquiao was far more declined than Floyd and wasn't allowed illegal IVs, etc etc).

So their problem is not that they're always wrong. It's that they are continually told they're right even when they're wrong, which makes it impossible for them to learn. They don't even get to see that they're wrong, because it's covered up, it's prevented from happening before it even materializes. They usually root for and pick the black American to win, and the black American is usually allowed to cheat to no end and protected on the scorecards either because the black American usually generates more money in America, or maybe just for nationalistic or racial reasons by local officials who are also American and/or black, so their pick is usually protected.

It would be like if you or me wanted to become great at black jack, but someone gifted us a special stacked deck of cards at home that allowed us to win 90% of the time when playing our friends, but we weren't aware or objective enough to realize it was because of the deck, not our skill. It would be like we were too drunk on "winning," and on seeing our own biases "validated," to notice. Like we didn't even know the deck was special. So then because we didn't know, it would be like if we went to the casino to stake all our money on some black jack games, thinking we were amazing at the game, not knowing it was really just a stacked deck we had at home, and as a result, it caused us to be overconfident and lose all our money once the game was real at the casino, once it was on an even playing field.

That's what happened with the LDBC and all the picks of Rigo breaking Loma's face and so forth. They were so used to picking with a stacked deck and "winning" as a result, that they thought it was because of their picks, not even aware that they've been picking with a stacked deck and that that is the real reason, and as a result, they got it as wrong as you possibly could. It's just like how so many of them picked 50 year old BHop to beat the best prime light heavyweight we've seen in about a decade in Sergey Kovalev. Just an insane pick to make, but they were so used to all the advantages being in the corner of the guy they wanted to win, they took that for granted, and had basically forgotten that those things, like age, are actually the real reason for many results in boxing, not their pick being "right all along" and someone getting "exposed." By their flawed logic, that fight proved BHop was never good to begin with. That's not true, but that is how flawed their logic has become as a result of being rewarded for using flawed logic for years and years. When you reward a behavior, you end of getting more of it, and that's what happened with the LDBC. They got rewarded for being wrong, being biased, and ignoring slanted playing fields and cheating, so they just kept doing all of that more and more, and in more extreme ways, year after year, until they'd become so far removed from objective reality that they were picking 50 year old BHop to beat Kovalev. I believe that's the real story of what's been going on within this part of the boxing fan community, but not many people realize it.

[Removed Now]

If Manny at his age fights Lomachenko and gets washed or is force to “quit” it will kill his legacy . I don’t know what he’s spending his money on but don’t come back. Become president in your country or sell grills or energy drinks there’s other ways to sell out and cash out .

[Floyd is TBE]

I lost interest in this fight when Arum said it would be on PPV. **** that.

[Boxing Logic]

If Manny at his age fights Lomachenko and gets washed or is force to “quit” it will kill his legacy . I don’t know what he’s spending his money on but don’t come back. Become president in your country or sell grills or energy drinks there’s other ways to sell out and cash out .

No it won't. It eventually happens to every fighter who keeps fighting until someone proves to them they can't handle it anymore. Are BHop and Roy's legacies ruined because of what's gone on the last couple years? No. Was Ali's? It doesn't work like that. Was Oscar's? Manny will never quit anyway outside of a freak injury. His corner might stop it to protect him, but that's it, and fans would understand that, it wouldn't ruin his legacy.

[b00g13man]

im sure salido will let them fight at 140

[HanzGruber]

No man that's their problem, they're "right" all the time, but not because they're actually right, it's just that corrupt refs and judges make them right, or fighters who duck until an opponent is past prime eventually make them "right." Pacquiao is so much more dominant in his prime than Floyd that Floyd ducks him, and yet they pick Floyd. Then Floyd waits until Pacquiao declines, allegedly roids up, fights in Nevada where he's allowed lidocaine injections in his hands, gets caught using illegal IVs either to drain down to an unnatural weight to get a size advantage or more likely to mask PEDs but is allowed to keep going, then the same mafia protecting him prevents Pacquiao from getting a legal injection in his injured shoulder that Floyd pulls on during the fight, then the ref lets Floyd hold the whole fight, and still Floyd fights Pacquiao even at best, but the judges give it to Floyd of course, and now suddenly all these guys are like "I told you so all along. I just knew Floyd would beat Pacquiao! He was always better! I was right and this proves it!"

Same thing with all these fights. They pick Ward to beat Kovalev, get proven wrong once the fight happens, but the judges fix the outcome anyway and make them right on paper.

Same with GGG. They hate white boxers so naturally they call him a hypejob. He's such a hypejob that no top fighter at 154, 160, or 168 will fight him during his prime. Then when he finally declines, Jacobs and Canelo agree to fight him, and he still arguably wins both fights, but can't dominate like he did in his prime. "See, Jacobs and Canelo exposed him. I told you he was a great white hype all along."

This has gone on for years. The reason they are constantly wrong is because they are so used to being rewarded for being wrong. They are so used to being told they're right by these corrupt judges/refs, or as a result of ducking, that they always believe they're right. That's why they were so brazen in picking Rigo over Loma. They believe their picks themselves the last decade have been right, rather than corruption. They don't understand what's really been going on. So for them it was business as usual, picking the slick defensive dirty black boxer to beat the clean boxing foreigner. They didn't realize that it was actually advantages outside the ring (like age, drug testing corruption, etc) and corrupt refs and judges that had made them "right" in the past, not the boxers they picked actually being better, so they didn't realize that Loma-Rigo was the rare situation where none of those advantages actually existed for their guy. Due to Rigo being the financial B-side in the fight, unlike is usually the case with black boxers (usually American) fighting foreigners, the corrupt boxing industry had no motivation to protect him. The black ref still seemed to be doing somewhat of a bro code act with Rigo in the ring, letting him hold behind the head and punch, and clinch extensively, before finally taking a point way later than he should have, but that was it. Were the judges going to rob Loma in favor of Rigo if it was close? probably not. And most importantly, Rigo hadn't been able to wait until Loma got old while he was still in his prime. This time, Rigo was the older one, which is again a big change from what they're used to (GGG is older than Canelo and Jacobs, Kovalev is older than Ward, Pacquiao was far more declined than Floyd and wasn't allowed illegal IVs, etc etc).

So their problem is not that they're always wrong. It's that they are continually told they're right even when they're wrong, which makes it impossible for them to learn. They don't even get to see that they're wrong, because it's covered up, it's prevented from happening before it even materializes. They usually root for and pick the black American to win, and the black American is usually allowed to cheat to no end and protected on the scorecards either because the black American usually generates more money in America, or maybe just for nationalistic or racial reasons by local officials who are also American and/or black, so their pick is usually protected.

It would be like if you or me wanted to become great at black jack, but someone gifted us a special stacked deck of cards at home that allowed us to win 90% of the time when playing our friends, but we weren't aware or objective enough to realize it was because of the deck, not our skill. It would be like we were too drunk on "winning," and on seeing our own biases "validated," to notice. Like we didn't even know the deck was special. So then because we didn't know, it would be like if we went to the casino to stake all our money on some black jack games, thinking we were amazing at the game, not knowing it was really just a stacked deck we had at home, and as a result, it caused us to be overconfident and lose all our money once the game was real at the casino, once it was on an even playing field.

That's what happened with the LDBC and all the picks of Rigo breaking Loma's face and so forth. They were so used to picking with a stacked deck and "winning" as a result, that they thought it was because of their picks, not even aware that they've been picking with a stacked deck and that that is the real reason, and as a result, they got it as wrong as you possibly could. It's just like how so many of them picked 50 year old BHop to beat the best prime light heavyweight we've seen in about a decade in Sergey Kovalev. Just an insane pick to make, but they were so used to all the advantages being in the corner of the guy they wanted to win, they took that for granted, and had basically forgotten that those things, like age, are actually the real reason for many results in boxing, not their pick being "right all along" and someone getting "exposed." By their flawed logic, that fight proved BHop was never good to begin with. That's not true, but that is how flawed their logic has become as a result of being rewarded for using flawed logic for years and years. When you reward a behavior, you end of getting more of it, and that's what happened with the LDBC. They got rewarded for being wrong, being biased, and ignoring slanted playing fields and cheating, so they just kept doing all of that more and more, and in more extreme ways, year after year, until they'd become so far removed from objective reality that they were picking 50 year old BHop to beat Kovalev. I believe that's the real story of what's been going on within this part of the boxing fan community, but not many people realize it.

Holy *** dude.