What "evidence" is there Mayweather is on roids?

[Robbie Barrett]

Because he weighed in at 147 and according to Floyd his ring weight was 149lbs

Do you know what dehydration means?

Are you a qualified doctor, did you examine Mayweather?

[Combat Talk Radio]

You chose his opinion because it re-enforces your own bias.

I chose his opinion as an expert in the subject. As should you.

If we were debating basketball rules regarding offensive line, who would you rather listen to? Some bum sitting on the couch watching Lebron, or D'Antoni himself?

As far as red-flags (since there is no undeniable proof) for each are:

Pac:

• refused blood testing beyond 30 days prior to fight during first negotiations (later dropped to 7 days for rest of negotiations).
  Toradol request for Mayweather fight

You're now showing your bias.


Let's talk about the first one. Refusing RANDOM blood and urine testing. He didn't refuse testing, he refused RANDOM testing. Why? Because as Conte says, you'd have to be ****** to fail announced testing. Regardless, straight from Freddie Roach:



Regarding the second one, from Memo Heredia. And this one stands out because there are other posts calling Floyd's Xylocane a PED because it blocks pain, yet refuse to call Manny's Toradol a PED for the same reason, even though Toradol is more widely (ab)used in sports to block pain receptors.



Floyd:

• Abnormally low T-E in released tests (indicator of masking agent in use)
  Banned IV usage (TUE retroactively provided but banned as a masking agent)
  Fined $114,000 for refusing to answer questioning under oath from Pacquiao's lawyers.
  Documented Xylocane usage (approved by NSAC)

People also say Pac's speed/power stayed with him as he climbed weights is proof

Manny was able to stop four guys who normally fought at 154 after debuting at 106. Floyd never did that - except McGregor. Come on man, we just saw Choco go up 3 POUNDS and get sparked.

but Floyd maintained his speed and had enough power to keep everyone in check up to 154 even with brittle hands.

He barely got past De La Hoya and you know it. Regardless, he's broken his hands in every damn fight since...what...Chicanito Hernandez?

Anyone who works martial arts will tell you that snap punches hurt regardless. That's what he's good at - snapping the punch. Thus why Trinidad's punches didn't do anything against Mayorga at first - they didn't snap, and Mayorga was prepared for them.

Some people say Pac's head growth is proof, others say Floyd's head has grown as weel

If anything Floyd's head got smaller.

Mayweather at the 1996 Olympics:


Mayweather just before McGregor:




Look, fact is we don't know why Floyd took an IV. But we do know that PEDs are associated with three things: Stamina, power and speed. Before 2005 Manny had speed and power. Between 2005-2011 Manny had all three - then 2012 onward he only had stamina...same time Alex Ariza left the camp. That's suspect. Him losing to Jeff "The Hornet" Horn is proof positive he lost his power AND speed.

Floyd has only ever had speed and stamina. He had it when he started, he had it when he finished. He's never had power. No fight he's had has shown any inkling of increased power. No fight he's had has shown any fluctuation in stamina or speed. Ever. Those fighters he got TKO or KOs on were because of accumulation, not power. His fights were consistent, even Castillo 1, even Maidana 1.


See, if I take a fighter who starts at a lower class (where there's expected to be power), moves up WAY too many weight classes with ease (where you should be losing power), yet you're walking through larger fighters all of a sudden, seemingly a tank who is not affected by flush power shots by guys who are considered the most dangerous in their division...and I contrast that with a guy who never really had power, where every fight was consistently the same, stamina and speed, defense first...

I'm less likely to support the notion that Fighter B is doing anything that rises to the level of a performance enhancing drug.

To me, pain meds for your hands are not PEDs. They're pain meds. Same as weed. Or liquor. They all dull pain.

I don't think Toradol is a PED specifically, but my problem is when your adviser puts on a form that you are not hurt, then you show up fight night looking for a numbing agent where you would have been granted it fine had you disclosed the injury...yeah, that's su****ious.

[D4thincarnation]

Irrelevant to the topic. Pacquiao wanted cut off dates. There was no cut off dates for Mayweather.

So you can't tell me.

Maybe you should go and find out and learn something.

[D4thincarnation]

Where have you proved that?

Have you proved he had no other condition either?

Are you a doctor, did you examine Mayweather? If the answer is no to one or both of those then you aren't in a position to diagnose or rule out anything.

Because losing 2lbs of water doesn't medically dehydrate you.

[Robbie Barrett]

So you can't tell me.

Maybe you should go and find out and learn something.

It's irrelevant when they did or didn't. They had the ability to. If a fighter KNOWS when he won't be tested like Pacquiao wanted, he's free to do whatever he wants.

[Bjl12]

USADA in all there tests of Floyd didn't blood test in the two week period. I think maybe 1 or 2 might have fallen on the 12/13 day before the fight.

USADA said they did this for health reasons.

Why was Floyd pushing blood test up till the fight date when it wasn't USADAs policy?

What the hell are you going on about?

I guess that means Floyd and Mosley were juicing too since they didn't get blood tested in the weeks up to the fight.

Man, screw science. Let's just ask DumbIncarnation since he knows all anyways

XD

[Larry the boss]

Yet USADA had a cut off date. They did zero blood test for any of Floyd's fight in the last week.

That is just a fact.

And it is not random, it is deliberate.

Random is the wrong word, it should be unannounced testing.

Did Floyd know he wasnt going to be tested or was that just their discretion?

[Robbie Barrett]

Because losing 2lbs of water doesn't medically dehydrate you.

So you aren't a doctor and you didn't examine Mayweather, but somehow think you are in a position to judge what condition he was in and what treatment he did or didn't need.

Do you know how ******ed that is?

[Larry the boss]

If any other fighter asked for a cut off date for blood testing what would the reaction be?

Pacquiao fans/Mayweather haters are ******ed. They let their feelings seriously cloud their judgement.

After all these years they still don't understand the word"RANDOM"

[travestyny]

So why does USADA not test in the final week?

Why was Floyd never tested less than 10 days out?

You would have to ask them and understand their testing.


What you are confused about is thinking that Mayweather saying testing up to the fight means he will be tested on the day of the fight.


That's not what was meant at all. In the end, Mayweather got testing UP UNTIL THE FIGHT....and it just so happened that Manny was blood tested 10 days before the fight. That's how the strategic testing went. I don't know why you can't understand this. It's not hard.