Comments Thread For: Jamel Herring Signs With Top Rank, Will Fight on Crawford-Horn

[Scipio2009]

Link? Wtf? Do u waych boxing? Beterbiev was on espn. I saw the broadcast. No Watson’s. I watched the Frampton fight via stream. Ni Watson’s.

I said I didn’t see the Selby fight so I can’t verify either way.

I was at a bar, watching the Jacobs-Arias fight, the ESPN card, and I think there was a UFC card playing at the same time. Didn't bother with most of the ESPN card, tbh.

Your credibility is shot, as far as I'm concerned, so I need corroborating footage to confirm whatever drivel you want to run on about.

[Scipio2009]

so the poster Randall Cunning also confirmed that the Watsons werent in Framptons corner for the last fight or Jacobs last fight against Arias. I forgot about that.

Why are u so obsessed? You act like guys can't move on from Haymon. It is business. Managers and promoters get moved on from all the time. Just lots of guys happen to be leaving Haymon now because he has too many guys for the dates he has. Not hard to see or comprehend.

There's no obsession; just sussing out facts.

You've spent quite some time here on this site, running your mouth about calamity that you've predicted, that never seem to come to fruition, with no acknowledgement of your prediction not happening.

PBC has been a formal thing for three years at this point, with the Haymon expansion being a mainstream thing for basically 5 years at this point, and you've had maybe a handful of fighters leave Haymon at this point (Vanes and the recent Jamel Herring basically being the only confirmed departures at this point; have doubts about Frampton leaving, since that's not been confirmed anywhere yet).

Folks have been calling for the death of PBC, every year, since the end of 2015, and it doesn't look like the death of PBC will happen in 2018 either.

There's supposed to have been this mass exodus of talent from Haymon, and when it doesn't happen, the only retort that the predictors of doom have is that the exodus will happen at some future date, rather than the prediction was wrong.

Why are folks like you so bent on this effort failing? lol

[killakali]

I was at a bar, watching the Jacobs-Arias fight, the ESPN card, and I think there was a UFC card playing at the same time. Didn't bother with most of the ESPN card, tbh.

Your credibility is shot, as far as I'm concerned, so I need corroborating footage to confirm whatever drivel you want to run on about.

I have credibility. You don't. There is no link for who is in a guys corner when he is being introduced. Are you high? U have zero credibility especially asking for that type of link.

What I really want to know is why does it bother you so bad that guys like Jacobs, Frampton, Herring, etc left Al Haymon and PBC? Does it bother you as bad as when Jessie Vargas and Brandon Rios left Top Rank or when Juan Manuel Marquez and Shane Mosley left GBP? Why does it bother you? Why must you lose your credibility making stuff up that they are still with Haymon when you can just say, "yeah they felt they got a better deal and left for (Arum, Warren, etc)?" Just like you can say, "Jessie Vargas and Rios left Top Rank for PBC because they feel it is the right move to get bigger name welterweight opponents."

It really isn't that hard to be unbiased if you just try a little.

[killakali]

There's no obsession; just sussing out facts.

You've spent quite some time here on this site, running your mouth about calamity that you've predicted, that never seem to come to fruition, with no acknowledgement of your prediction not happening.

PBC has been a formal thing for three years at this point, with the Haymon expansion being a mainstream thing for basically 5 years at this point, and you've had maybe a handful of fighters leave Haymon at this point (Vanes and the recent Jamel Herring basically being the only confirmed departures at this point; have doubts about Frampton leaving, since that's not been confirmed anywhere yet).

Folks have been calling for the death of PBC, every year, since the end of 2015, and it doesn't look like the death of PBC will happen in 2018 either.

There's supposed to have been this mass exodus of talent from Haymon, and when it doesn't happen, the only retort that the predictors of doom have is that the exodus will happen at some future date, rather than the prediction was wrong.

Why are folks like you so bent on this effort failing? lol

2017 had several less PBC cards than 2016 and will have less in 2018. All that is really is left is Showtime which is the exact opposite of PBC's initial slogan of "Free Boxing For All" which was on network and cable tv and not premium cable. PBC is fulfilling their contract with Fox with a low budget card next month and then they have their monthly Bounce shows and that is about it.

We are halfway through January and have you heard about the next FS1 Card? Me neither. I am not saying they won't have any but they had cards if I am not mistaken in January and February of last year. Who can forget Collazo ko'ing Sammy Vazquez on February 2nd, 2017. It doesn't look like there are any January or February PBC on FS1 cards this year so what does that tell you? When is the first Bounce card? ESPN has already announced 10 dates for Top Rank shows through July for comparison.

And showtime world champion presented by PBC is the same thing as ESPN's Top Rank boxing. If HBO said "HBO World Championship Boxing presented by Golden Boy" it wouldn't be any different.

And lastly Vanes and Herring aren't the only confirmed departures. Beterbiev, Jacobs, Frampton are confirmed just like Selby will be. There weren't any Watsons in Beterbiev or Jacobs or Frampton's corner. Randall Cunning even confirmed Frampton and Jacobs. And answer this honestly why would they need Haymon? Frampton and Jacobs have managers and promoters and TV deals. Why pay another 10% to Haymon when you have a manager and promoter calling the shots and a network approving the fights. Seems like it was a smart move to save money by letting him go and they get to be more active by leaving PBC.

[Scipio2009]

I have credibility. You don't. There is no link for who is in a guys corner when he is being introduced. Are you high? U have zero credibility especially asking for that type of link.

What I really want to know is why does it bother you so bad that guys like Jacobs, Frampton, Herring, etc left Al Haymon and PBC? Does it bother you as bad as when Jessie Vargas and Brandon Rios left Top Rank or when Juan Manuel Marquez and Shane Mosley left GBP? Why does it bother you? Why must you lose your credibility making stuff up that they are still with Haymon when you can just say, "yeah they felt they got a better deal and left for (Arum, Warren, etc)?" Just like you can say, "Jessie Vargas and Rios left Top Rank for PBC because they feel it is the right move to get bigger name welterweight opponents."

It really isn't that hard to be unbiased if you just try a little.

One of the first Chris Eubank Jr fight that I ever saw had him, walking to the ring, d****d in the Union Jack and his father preening for him, to Dr Dre's "Still DRE". The fight was on YouTube.

You have no evidence, so you ignore the request.

We know that Vanes Martirosyan left Haymon, because he publicly said he left Haymon, signed with Don King, and moved on with his career.

We know that Jamel Herring left for Top Rank, because he had his new manager announce the move, after formally moving to Crawford's camp a while ago.

We know that the Vargas and Rios moves we're legit because the new management situations were known, the Top Rank deals were confirmed to have ended, and the new partnerships were known.

We don't know the Jacob's and Frampton's and others' situations have changed, because the actual evidence doesn't corroborate any of what you've said, no matter how much you want folks to just accept "believe you".

After the Mcguigan fallout, we know that Frampton got with a new trainer, signed with a new promoter, and brought MTK Global as a management partner; nowhere have there even been whispers of Frampton ditching Haymon.

Daniel Jacobs, from his lips to God's ears, has let the words come out of his own darn mouth that Haymon is still in the camp, yet you refuse to accept the man's word.

Bring the evidence; if Daniel Jacobs is lying to everyone's face, bring something that shows the lie and share it.

You can't ever bring anything because there's nothing that exists to make your statement true, and you don't give a ****.

You keep running your nonsense, with nothing to actually back it, ignoring anyone who says that you're full of ****.

Have fun

[Scipio2009]

2017 had several less PBC cards than 2016 and will have less in 2018. All that is really is left is Showtime which is the exact opposite of PBC's initial slogan of "Free Boxing For All" which was on network and cable tv and not premium cable. PBC is fulfilling their contract with Fox with a low budget card next month and then they have their monthly Bounce shows and that is about it.

We are halfway through January and have you heard about the next FS1 Card? Me neither. I am not saying they won't have any but they had cards if I am not mistaken in January and February of last year. Who can forget Collazo ko'ing Sammy Vazquez on February 2nd, 2017. It doesn't look like there are any January or February PBC on FS1 cards this year so what does that tell you? When is the first Bounce card? ESPN has already announced 10 dates for Top Rank shows through July for comparison.

And showtime world champion presented by PBC is the same thing as ESPN's Top Rank boxing. If HBO said "HBO World Championship Boxing presented by Golden Boy" it wouldn't be any different.

And lastly Vanes and Herring aren't the only confirmed departures. Beterbiev, Jacobs, Frampton are confirmed just like Selby will be. There weren't any Watsons in Beterbiev or Jacobs or Frampton's corner. Randall Cunning even confirmed Frampton and Jacobs. And answer this honestly why would they need Haymon? Frampton and Jacobs have managers and promoters and TV deals. Why pay another 10% to Haymon when you have a manager and promoter calling the shots and a network approving the fights. Seems like it was a smart move to save money by letting him go and they get to be more active by leaving PBC.

Vanes, Herring, Frampton (maybe), and Jacobs (maybe); Beterbiev's dispute is with Yvon Michel and not Al Haymon, so there goes that point.

For all of the exodus talk, having maybe 4 names is laughable.

January is going unbooked, with February having a single show currently booked.

With the UFC being the elephant in the room, nothing is going to be settled until that bit of business is settled, which is obvious if you aren't a dunce (this talk of the WWE also allegedly negotiating with FOX/FS1 for their next deal, with the possible WWE deal opening things up under the NBCUniversal deal, has complicated the talks).

Once the UFC deal is squared away, whether with FOX/FS1 or not, PBC will sit down with FOX/FS1 (or any other broadcasters) and finish out the talks on their own deal.

7 years, $700m from a broadcaster (the UFC's initial deal), and I doubt Haymon or W&R give a care about losing the FS1 dates for the 1st quarter of 2018.

4 dates for primetime FOX, 24 dates for FS1 (quarterly FOX cards with 2 FS1 fight cards a month) and PBC will have gone a long way towards bringing more top-level boxing to the masses.

[killakali]

One of the first Chris Eubank Jr fight that I ever saw had him, walking to the ring, d****d in the Union Jack and his father preening for him, to Dr Dre's "Still DRE". The fight was on YouTube.

You have no evidence, so you ignore the request.

We know that Vanes Martirosyan left Haymon, because he publicly said he left Haymon, signed with Don King, and moved on with his career.

We know that Jamel Herring left for Top Rank, because he had his new manager announce the move, after formally moving to Crawford's camp a while ago.

We know that the Vargas and Rios moves we're legit because the new management situations were known, the Top Rank deals were confirmed to have ended, and the new partnerships were known.

We don't know the Jacob's and Frampton's and others' situations have changed, because the actual evidence doesn't corroborate any of what you've said, no matter how much you want folks to just accept "believe you".

After the Mcguigan fallout, we know that Frampton got with a new trainer, signed with a new promoter, and brought MTK Global as a management partner; nowhere have there even been whispers of Frampton ditching Haymon.

Daniel Jacobs, from his lips to God's ears, has let the words come out of his own darn mouth that Haymon is still in the camp, yet you refuse to accept the man's word.

Bring the evidence; if Daniel Jacobs is lying to everyone's face, bring something that shows the lie and share it.

You can't ever bring anything because there's nothing that exists to make your statement true, and you don't give a ****.

You keep running your nonsense, with nothing to actually back it, ignoring anyone who says that you're full of ****.

Have fun

Frampton is all MTK. He has zero need for Haymon and Haymon isn't with him anymore. Anyone with any insider knowledge knows this. He doesn't have to announce it lol. Why?

Jacobs is grateful to Al for sticking with him and now he is no longer with him. Business move. Why weren't the Watsons in the ring with him vs Arias? Actions speak louder than words. You keep running your nonsense with nothing to actually back it, ignoring anyone who says that you are full of sh**.

[killakali]

Vanes, Herring, Frampton (maybe), and Jacobs (maybe); Beterbiev's dispute is with Yvon Michel and not Al Haymon, so there goes that point.

For all of the exodus talk, having maybe 4 names is laughable.

January is going unbooked, with February having a single show currently booked.

With the UFC being the elephant in the room, nothing is going to be settled until that bit of business is settled, which is obvious if you aren't a dunce (this talk of the WWE also allegedly negotiating with FOX/FS1 for their next deal, with the possible WWE deal opening things up under the NBCUniversal deal, has complicated the talks).

Once the UFC deal is squared away, whether with FOX/FS1 or not, PBC will sit down with FOX/FS1 (or any other broadcasters) and finish out the talks on their own deal.

7 years, $700m from a broadcaster (the UFC's initial deal), and I doubt Haymon or W&R give a care about losing the FS1 dates for the 1st quarter of 2018.

4 dates for primetime FOX, 24 dates for FS1 (quarterly FOX cards with 2 FS1 fight cards a month) and PBC will have gone a long way towards bringing more top-level boxing to the masses.

links? Give me the links for your fantasy ideas. Here you go running your mouth again with your opinion and no facts. Fox and PBC is a separate entity than UFC and Fox you moron. They don't need to wait to settle UFC first. Fox is bidding right now on Thursday night football and not waiting to see what UFC does. Stop it with your biased opinions. Give me the links to your ideas. Until then you are just full of S*** making stuff up to suit your agenda when people like me serve you with facts shutting you down fact by fact.

Beterbiev didn't have a Watson in his corner so that tells you he isn't with Haymon. So his issues aren't just with Michel.

[Scipio2009]

Frampton is all MTK. He has zero need for Haymon and Haymon isn't with him anymore. Anyone with any insider knowledge knows this. He doesn't have to announce it lol. Why?

Jacobs is grateful to Al for sticking with him and now he is no longer with him. Business move. Why weren't the Watsons in the ring with him vs Arias? Actions speak louder than words. You keep running your nonsense with nothing to actually back it, ignoring anyone who says that you are full of sh**.

If you're calling Daniel Jacobs a bald-face liar, tell the truth and shame the devil.

[Scipio2009]

links? Give me the links for your fantasy ideas. Here you go running your mouth again with your opinion and no facts. Fox and PBC is a separate entity than UFC and Fox you moron. They don't need to wait to settle UFC first. Fox is bidding right now on Thursday night football and not waiting to see what UFC does. Stop it with your biased opinions. Give me the links to your ideas. Until then you are just full of S*** making stuff up to suit your agenda when people like me serve you with facts shutting you down fact by fact.

Beterbiev didn't have a Watson in his corner so that tells you he isn't with Haymon. So his issues aren't just with Michel.

https://sundaypuncher.com/is-pbc-about-to-shake-up-the-boxing-world-3562aeeff685

http://www.fightopinion.com/2017/11/14/zuffa-boxing-bailout-ufc-al-haymon/

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2017/04/24/In-Depth/PBC.aspx?

Could keep looking, but that'd involving digging through a UFC search.

Still, not a single thing beyond drivel from you.