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  • Eff Pandas
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    #11
    People keep ignoring the obvious with female fighting. There has NEVER been a lack of great female fighters since I've been watching boxing at least, Christy Martin, Ann Wolfe, Laila Ali to the girls around now getting attention.

    What there has always been is a lack of depth in female fighting. Women tend to not enjoy getting hit in the head it would seem. At the end of the day what makes mens boxing shine the most aren't specific fighters, but specific fights. All the high water marks in boxing (outside of maybe Mike Tyson's reign) were based on big fights more than big fighters. Women's fighting does not have that. Therefore til it does have depth it'll never be as big as some wish it was.

    Also there are problems that womens fighting doesn't have loyalty with what should be its biggest audience, women, which is a problem. I'd kinda compare it to the Cuban boxer problem with men. Those Cuban boxers are amazing fighters, but are without a country & therefore without a country to cheer them on like so many boxers have built in. There is Miami sure, but its never seen as loyal a fanbase as these fighters would warrant.

    And then you get to the point of them not having much power &/or killer instinct to end fights early. Shields is already batting less than .500 with KOing opponents at 5-0 (2). Fans aren't opposed to watching distance fights at all, but when there is much longer odds on a KO happening there is a lack of excitement with a one punch KO or KO at all going down so its not really about going the distance so much as a lack of a chance to see a KO in womens fighting.

    So good luck to female boxers in making their sport bigger, but idk wtf stats Hearn, DiBella, Salita + Showtime or anyone else getting into female boxing more are seeing with it being bigger with the problems I mention.

    I feel like too many boxing promoters are just copycatting trends in the UFC by signing woman (who's gotten huge in MMA & headline cards all the time) & in Irish fighters (who represents the biggest draw in MMA today) more than thinking for themselves. The image of competition in womens MMA is built on the names that are built in the UFC fighting each other on a regular basis + there are more ways for fights to end early so there is that excitement in the UFC which isn't going to be duplicated in boxing until the entire structure of boxing changes. And boxing isn't gonna create the next Conor McGregor cuz Conor isn't just a regular Irish cat. He's the Irish f#cking Muhammad Ali with his ability to sh^t talk, create controversy & ends fights in high light fashion. If one of those things isn't going for him he might not be the face of MMA today. Good luck finding the Irish Muhammad Ali from these guys promoters have been signing.

    /rant
    Last edited by Eff Pandas; 01-15-2018, 08:05 AM.

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    • Eff Pandas
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      #12
      Originally posted by UNDERDOG1776
      Women’s boxing is growing and Shields is definitely creating a buzz.
      Now if she can stay focused on Boxing and stay out of ****** arguments on Twitter she’ll have a chance to gain a lot of fans.
      I don't really see womans boxing growing. I see promoters trying to push it on fans more than it growing. I've not seen anyone wearing a female boxers shirt anywhere in my life except some guy standing next to a female fighter in her camp or during her post fight interview.

      Granted female boxing does have ups & downs like everything else. And its in a upward trend, but sh^t man it'd be hard to go down further than its been previous to the previous years downtrend. So its up vs previous trends, but this isn't close to the Martin & Ali days & unless they invent some opponents for these girls it'll be back in a downtrend before it'll reach Martin & Ali days.

      And lol funny you mention the twitter stuff. Shields b^tched me the f#ck out on twitter over some silly ass sh^t where I was actually HYPING her more than being critical of her & I'm a mfing fan of her. I'm always big on Michigan fighters & been hyping her previous to all the fair weather mfers these days, but she can't handle critical opinions at all without turning into an a$$hole which is gonna bite her in the a$$ on a bigger stage than twitter sooner or later.

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      • nycsmooth
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        #13
        There are good fighters in women that come from time to time in the higher divisions but they come too far between and the lack of quality contenders is very apparent ...the only decent women's boxing is from 126 lb and below is obvious and it's a fact...

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        • Tomasio
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          #14
          It's real good for the sport that Sheilds & Hammer most likely are gonna fight each other..Years ago the biggest fight in Womens Boxing would have been Christy Martin vs Lucia Rijker, two very talented fighters that were dominating at the time, but because of politics in boxing (Martin fought under Don King & Rijker fought under Bob Arum) the fight was never done..The closest they ever came to fighting each other was at a Martin press confrence & Rijker came in & they got into some sort of argument & Rijker took a swing & hit Martin, but it was broken up fast..My opinion is I think Rijker would have taken out Martin..

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          • Dean_Razorback
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            #15
            the only 2 female fighters that i follow and i think are the only ones worth of following are yesica bopp and katie taylor



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            • ShoulderRoll
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              #16
              Shields is doing her thing. She should keep it going, keep training hard, and keep improving.

              As long as she is happy and making a good living who cares what the haters say?

              No one is forcing them to attend her fights or to watch her on tv if they don't want.

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              • Boxing42
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                #17
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                Shields is doing her thing. She should keep it going, keep training hard, and keep improving.

                As long as she is happy and making a good living who cares what the haters say?

                No one is forcing them to attend her fights or to watch her on tv if they don't want.
                Don't say anything rational on this site it's forbidden

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                • Eff Pandas
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                  As long as she is happy and making a good living who cares what the haters say?
                  I don't think she's happy. She complains too much. And she cares what the haters think. She's b^tching at them constantly.

                  If she takes the "bad guy" persona at some point she might have something, but if anyone thinks Andre Ward is unlikable they should go meet Shields (she was the only person condoning the Leon Lawson cheap shot that I saw ffs). Idk if you can get a female fighter who you can make so unlikeable that people pay to come watch her lose doe like we had with Floyd or Ali or Jack Johnson on the mens side is the thing.

                  Granted they are doing a solid job of spinning things & Shields is smart enough & not emotional enough to bite hands feeding her presently, but they'll come a point when that goes out the window I'd be willing to bet.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                    I don't think she's happy. She complains too much. And she cares what the haters think. She's b^tching at them constantly.

                    If she takes the "bad guy" persona at some point she might have something, but if anyone thinks Andre Ward is unlikable they should go meet Shields (she was the only person condoning the Leon Lawson cheap shot that I saw ffs). Idk if you can get a female fighter who you can make so unlikeable that people pay to come watch her lose doe like we had with Floyd or Ali or Jack Johnson on the mens side is the thing.

                    Granted they are doing a solid job of spinning things & Shields is smart enough & not emotional enough to bite hands feeding her presently, but they'll come a point when that goes out the window I'd be willing to bet.
                    That's why I advise for her not to care what the haters think. She should just nurture her talent and take her career as far as it can go and be happy with that.

                    If we're honest a lot of the hate she gets is because she's black (look at the "sheboon" comment earlier in this very thread.) Those kinds of people are never going to be won over no matter how much she bends over backwards for them, unless she can magically change her skin color.

                    So there's no point paying them any mind.

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                    • Tuavale
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                      #20
                      #GoodJobUnc Everyone hates this jivey lady. Obviously had too much of that Flint agua. Let her try Hammer or BrickHouse. Also, I think Sophie Ann Mathis might knock her out and believe she could move up a couple of pounds and take the fight. She knocked out Hammer but it was ruled to be on a foul. Sophie can really crack. She's the woman that dropped Holly Holm about 7 times in one bout. Absolutely bludgeoned her.

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