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  • PsychoPat
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    #41
    Tell you what would be chilling if wilder just stiverned ortiz in round 1 leaving him legs bent back crumpled on the canvas. That would drum up hype for the Joshua fight

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      #42
      Originally posted by Switch Hitter93
      Tell you what would be chilling if wilder just stiverned ortiz in round 1 leaving him legs bent back crumpled on the canvas. That would drum up hype for the Joshua fight
      I just got in from a road run, and was thinking during my jog that if Wilder surprised everyone and dominated then KO'd Ortiz in the first or second round (Stiverne II style) damn right he can ask for more than 30% against AJ lmao. That would immediately give him major hype.

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        #43
        Originally posted by _Rexy_
        depends. Ortiz looked slow as **** last match I saw him in.

        Power is the last thing a fighter loses, but Wilder is quick...
        Yeah he did look every bit as old as they say in terms of speed. Wilder is quick but makes a lot of mistakes defensively. Needs to stop pulling straight back to avoid punches, I can see Ortiz catching him with something when he does. Either way, looking forward to this fight

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          #44
          Originally posted by Rip Chudd
          Yeah he did look every bit as old as they say in terms of speed. Wilder is quick but makes a lot of mistakes defensively. Needs to stop pulling straight back to avoid punches, I can see Ortiz catching him with something when he does. Either way, looking forward to this fight
          I'm looking forward to it too, but we also don't know how much Wilder has improved. Say what you will about Deontay, but I think everyone can admit that he improves every fight he's in...and we haven't seen any of his defense since the Washington fight a year ago (I don't even think Stiverne got one punch off in that slaughter) so who knows, this could be a completely different Wilder, bobbing and weaving.

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            #45
            Originally posted by _Rexy_
            I just got in from a road run, and was thinking during my jog that if Wilder surprised everyone and dominated then KO'd Ortiz in the first or second round (Stiverne II style) damn right he can ask for more than 30% against AJ lmao. That would immediately give him major hype.
            It would definitely give him more leverage in negotiations. I've never seen ortiz hurt in a fight but wilders got momentum going and ortiz has slowed enough to get tagged depending on how cautious wilder fights. Looking forward to it we'll either see ortiz turn back the clock and win impressively or wilder will put on a showcase which hopefully will quash the naysayers whose fixation on the notion he's avoided top fighters during his career remains at present

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              #46
              Originally posted by Switch Hitter93
              It would definitely give him more leverage in negotiations. I've never seen ortiz hurt in a fight but wilders got momentum going and ortiz has slowed enough to get tagged depending on how cautious wilder fights. Looking forward to it we'll either see ortiz turn back the clock and win impressively or wilder will put on a showcase which hopefully will quash the naysayers whose fixation on the notion he's avoided top fighters during his career remains at present
              I'm seeing a first round of feeling eachother out, then Deontay just starting to dominate each round after.

              That said, I'm just excited for the match, and I have 2 months to find a way to watch it! lol

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                #47
                Originally posted by _Rexy_
                I'm looking forward to it too, but we also don't know how much Wilder has improved. Say what you will about Deontay, but I think everyone can admit that he improves every fight he's in...and we haven't seen any of his defense since the Washington fight a year ago (I don't even think Stiverne got one punch off in that slaughter) so who knows, this could be a completely different Wilder, bobbing and weaving.
                What are your thoughts on how Wilder fights with Breland as his trainer? I've long said on here that Wilder would be better suited fighting like Mark did with that jab and left hook. I've seen videos after that injury where they were working extensively on Wilder's left hand but it doesn't seem to translate when he is in the ring. If Wilder were to adopt that left to the body that Breland had he'd really be a force at heavyweight

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Rip Chudd
                  What are your thoughts on how Wilder fights with Breland as his trainer? I've long said on here that Wilder would be better suited fighting like Mark did with that jab and left hook. I've seen videos after that injury where they were working extensively on Wilder's left hand but it doesn't seem to translate when he is in the ring. If Wilder were to adopt that left to the body that Breland had he'd really be a force at heavyweight
                  I agree that if he perfected and utilized that jab he would be terrifying especially if he set it up with a brutal left hook (like a more powerful Larry Holmes) but I also think Wilder's awkward style is what makes him harder to beat in the ring. He's tough to read. Which is why I think he would beat a Prime Fury over AJ. You can't really study Wilders tapes and prepare for how he fights. he might windmill you, or he might just walk right over and one punch you right through your defense like he did with Stiverne

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by _Rexy_
                    I assume it started because

                    A) he looks old as ****
                    B) Cuban athletes are known to lie about their age, since they aren't allowed to leave and become pro, they have big amateur careers. heavyweights also mature later so they would hypothetically claim him to be 10 years younger than he is; so a grown ass 29 year old man is dominating 19 year olds in Olympic trials lol.
                    Not true at all. When they start as 5 and 8 years old they need to bring their birth certificate to the coaches that are going to train them, boxing, baseball track and field, chess. It doesn't matter the sport. And this is just on a neighborhood level. You just can't pass an altered certificate under the nose of an opposite coach. They looking for that. Besides how many years can you shave of a 8 years old kid? Some ppl here don't **** about the ****ing Cuban system.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Rip Chudd
                      Yeah he did look every bit as old as they say in terms of speed. Wilder is quick but makes a lot of mistakes defensively. Needs to stop pulling straight back to avoid punches, I can see Ortiz catching him with something when he does. Either way, looking forward to this fight
                      Yea he makes a lot of mistakes and it will eventually cost him no doubt about it. Eventually someone is going to catch him in a bad spot, Wilder is lucky he has the right attributes to cover those flaws.

                      His size and speed makes his range huge, like he punches guys from half way across the ring, and with his power he is hard to time because a guy has to be really focused on not getting tagged (and his unorthodox punches mean that punches can come from damn near anywhere) so it is hard for guys to really make something happen off that even though it seems easy.

                      Ether Wilder wins knockout or decision will work and keeps the big fight open, or Wilder will get his head taken off which as a fan of his will be sad but seeing a guy get laid out is always fun. So it is really win-win sort of fight

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