Changes boxing NEED

**Wing Pingping** · 01-12-2018, 07:30 AM

Agree with 2,3,4 and even 1 just because I've become so cynical of the drug testing in today's sport.

Number 5 will never be solved, wanna know why?

Let's say there is a big fight happening in Vegas - Mayweather vs Canelo for example. Now this fight will obviously draw hundreds of millions of dollars in bets - now most people would probably bet on either,

1.Floyd by UD

2. Floyd by KO

3. Canelo by KO (only chance is lucky big hit, can't outbox a boxer)

So what if INSTEAD of the betting agencies paying out hundreds of millions of dollars to people who bet the 'correct' outcome, they pay a judge 5 million dollars to guarantee a SD victory? 5 million dollars is a nice retirement package for a judge and it saved them (betting agencies) hundreds of millions of dollars in payouts.

**Randall Cunning** · 01-12-2018, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by Banko Villas

5: We need 5 judges instead of 3 and we need more anti-corruption measures to ensure that we do not get corrupt decisions.

WBSS has the right idea for judges but they haven't had to use it yet. They have a 4th judge, if its a draw it goes to his scorecard.

**papichulosweg** · 01-12-2018, 08:15 AM

#1 is not fair for anyone no one should be allowed to cheat they should get ban for life less weight classes would be ideal but first u need to get rid off this greedy promoters and organizations that are ruining boxing judges will get fix when corruption gets fix as simple as that so your only logical one in here is the judges everything else makes no sense.

**Tankdestroyer** · 01-12-2018, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Randall Cunning

WBSS has the right idea for judges but they haven't had to use it yet. They have a 4th judge, if its a draw it goes to his scorecard.

what if that judge scorecard reads 114-114?

**Eff Pandas** · 01-12-2018, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Banko Villas

These changes are very essential, if boxing ever wants to evolve as a sport.

1: PEDs need to be allowed. It's unfair for the few clean fighters who go by the rules, that everyone else is taking PEDs while PEDs are outlawed. If we allow PEDs, we will have an even playing field for everyone and a much more honest sport. How long are we gonna bash Mayweather, Pacquiao, Marquez and the other "cheaters" for merely doing what everyone needs to do to remain competitive? And who isn't sick of fights being cancelled because of testing?

I honestly can't hate on this. Its ultimately gonna become impossible to test for PEDs or enhancements. Plus I think there is a whole marketplace here where PED guys could endorse fighters with their concoctions to push to the masses & this stuff could be all open sourced.

2: I like that there are multiple belts in boxing, but there are so many that it has become a joke. The maximum amount of belts should be 3 and no other belts should carry ANY official relevance, nor be recognized by anyone besides the ****** ****s who would ruin boxing by introducing more belts. Trust me... If only 3 belts were in each division, it would make things much more interesting.

Couldn't disagree with this more. Multiple world champions don't even make no f#cking sense. Either one belt or there should be a WBSS-like tournament every ~3yrs in every division (5-6 divisions each yr) to find out who the best fighter is & thats a Grand Slam-like event trophy to the guy who wins the whole thing. Historically I believe its best for boxing to have one guy who's defined as the best at any given point in history. Boxing needs less confusion who represents the best in every division to bring in more casuals & mainstream sports fans.

3: We need less weight classes and we need a more logical way of dividing them. For example... 151-160 lbs should be middleweight, 161-170 lbs should be super middleweigt, 171-180 lbs should be light heavyweight, 181-200 lbs should be cruiserweight. These kind of changes would minimize the weight whining significantly and give us much richer divisions.

100%. I think Boxing should straight hijack MMA weight divisions which doesn't have so many lil guy divisions (105-135 is 9 of the 17 divisions in boxing & idk a mfing male over 18 who even weighs 135 f#cking lbs). Spread that sh^t out more in the lil guy divisions & weed it down to 8-12/max divisions.

4: Referees should NOT be allowed to stop the fight. If the guy is injured enough, he will fall, and if he refuses to fall, he has chosen his pride above his health. We should all have that choice, inside and outside the ring. His corner could throw in the towel, but the referee should NEVER interfere. I'm sick and tired of situations like Froch-Groves 1... Fans pay for this ****. It isn't finished until it's finished and the referee should NOT decide when it's finished. Boxing referees remind of a grandmas who can't stand watching a fight...

Disagree. I don't wanna see boxing be anymore dangerous & I believe this makes boxing more dangerous.

5: We need 5 judges instead of 3 and we need more anti-corruption measures to ensure that we do not get corrupt decisions.

Disagree. People keep talking about the judges and to some extent rightfully so, but go look at the rulebook. How you score a f#cking fight is damn near however you decide you wanna score a fight. Thats a HUGE problem no one brings up really. Idk that you can make boxing like gymnastics where you drop a half point if someone doesn't plant their feet right after a flip, but I do believe boxing's scoring criteria can be more broken down & made less subjective. I mean logically you can't say "it depends" when asked who should win a round & yet be pissed off when you disagree with a judge who "it depends" differently then you did with the subjective scoring criteria. So thats step 1.

Step 2 is you need a system to correct or rid the sport of judges who aren't following the less subjective scoring criteria that you come up with.

Right now you can watch any fight & while the right guy wins 99% of the time I think 70% of the time there'll be 1 card for every fight that is nonsense from what the average person saw. That makes boxing looks ******ed as a sport when there is that kinda distance in scoring.

**mvooom** · 01-12-2018, 12:05 PM

I agree with only 2 and 3, the rest are flawed.

Rather than allow PEDs, why not make mandatory test for boxers especially ranked boxers all year round including the use of opponent's private doctor. Imagine if Canelo's doctor can walk into GGG's room and take samples for blood test with the results compared with whatever the organizations produced.

Not all fighters fall immediately they are hurt or even KO'd. There are loads of fights were the fighter fell on the ropes or is trapped in the corner unconscious while the opponent just fires more punches. An extra one punch can be the difference between full recovery and partial recovery or even death.

The 5th issue about judges really doesn't matter. There can be 5 or 99 judges and the result will be the same. Rather there should be "blind judges" were the judges are picked from a huge poll of qualified judges and the fighters nor their teams won't know who till fight night.

**Schmerzen** · 01-12-2018, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Banko Villas

5: We need 5 judges instead of 3 and we need more anti-corruption measures to ensure that we do not get corrupt decisions.

i would rather see computers replace judges, a comp will always be more objective. and the loser of a close fight won't feel like he got cheated.

**mvooom** · 01-12-2018, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by bak ta ehli

i would rather see computers replace judges, a comp will always be more objective. and the loser of a close fight won't feel like he got cheated.

The issue with that will be insane. First someone has to input the rules of what to score as what which we might not agree with then the computer has to map out all the difference of what is going on in the ring like if that weak flurry was worth the point or the hard clean punch. We can then consider hacking which will be another mega fear.

No computers please!

**Eff Pandas** · 01-12-2018, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by bak ta ehli

i would rather see computers replace judges, a comp will always be more objective. and the loser of a close fight won't feel like he got cheated.

Is there a computer that scores fights now somewhere or could be setup to score fights? And you'd still need to come up with some harder line requirements on what wins a round then we have now which I contend is the biggest problem in scoring.

Interesting idea, but idk that there is anything like this thats close to being a reality + you'd still have to come up with scoring criteria that says abc = x points or a won round. I think they'd be a mfer to come up with.

I was considering going deeper sci fi in my ref counterpoint too cuz I think in theory you could hook up some sorta of monitoring system on a boxing & if things reach some level of danger that would be picked up then the fight could be stopped. That would likely greatly reduce injuries in boxing specifically severe & deadly injuries, but idk if thats feasible at all just yet without having wires hanging from a boxers head or some goofy looking sh^t like that that just wouldn't work.

I think we get to a point where you're idea & my idea could work, but its not coming anytime soon...not to mention boxing is slow to make changes in general these days it seems so this sorta sci fi sh^t would seem a lil much for the Bob Bennett's of the boxing world I bet or the guy who's 70 something years old once Bennett retires.

Changes boxing NEED