Comments Thread For: Oscar De La Hoya is Willing To Promote Fights With Dana White

[Eff Pandas]

The UFC runs too many shows as is, if we're honest.

I'd argue thats probably about keeping the other MMA outfits at a certain level more than their goal to show a fight
a week just about.

If they didn't have as many shows they wouldn't need to have as many guys on the roster & then those guys would be cut & picked up to strengthen their competitors. If Bellator wasn't around I suspect we'd see less shows. I mean Bellator averaged 2 shows a month this year so they aren't fair behind the UFC.

So I don't disagree with you, but there is a reasoning behind it thats not unlike Haymon's blueprint to make deals with many networks to shut out his competitors. And its like how tech companies will sometimes buy some smaller company with a great idea, not to use that idea, but to block their competitors from buying said product to use against them or to prevent the smaller company with a good idea to grow into a bigger company that becomes a rival.

As good as it is to put forth a quality product today blocking competitors from competing as much as you can without running into legal problems is part of business too.

[Scipio2009]

I mean we all know this, but the reality is no one without a draw is making nice money & PBC has been letting some notable guys go to non-PBC promoters for the first time since there existence.



But can he do that on a regular basis? Can he get into a position where he can get a meaningful deal from that like the PBC plan was?



PBC for sure isn't still PBC. They aren't doing nearly as many big shows on National TV. Everything meaningful is happening on Showtime. They've seemed to transition to another phase to regroup to be something else or find a new player with money to make another attempt at their original goal more intelligently.



Who's saying there is a Fox/FS1 pending deal? And I've never heard Wilder is signed with DiBella. Link to source? There's a huge difference in DiBella being Wilder's promoter cuz he gots him on his card & DiBella having a contract to be Wilder's promoter & he's on his cards.

Haymon seems to deal with regional promoters & where you put on fights seems to play in with who you "promote" on a regular basis, but I've not heard of any of the "free agents" from the Schaefer/GBP situation be signed to a specific PBC promoter.

I get the feeling PBC is in a stage where they are hoping for the best, but kinda know they misplayed there hand & are at the mercy of there lessening options, which aren't great & are about survival more than success right now. Otherwise guys wouldn't be so inactive & misguided in the PBC family as they are these days. I mean Spence didn't fight for 8 or so months & if there is anyone you wanna keep in the public eye its the guy who could become among the biggest guys in boxing in theory.

Errol Spence Jr is in that weird spot where he's a name fighter yet still to dangerous for name fighters to have his name come out of their mouths; he wanted a big fight, and Peterson stepped up; let's see how the year goes, but if he gets Peterson, the Ortiz-Alexander winner in the Summer, and a big fight in the winter (still think the Thurman fight is likely for this year, but that's just me), 2018 may end up being the last year that folks can avoid Errol Spence Jr.

Will pause on the Wilder/DiBella link up, as Haymon's mo is to float things and the write-ups may have ignored Haymon's regional moves (though DiBella has been the promoter of record for every Wilder fight since he won the title). Will look into that further at some point.

The UFC has a split deal, so I'm not sure if Haymon's off of his track just yet; with Showtime buying the matchups that they're interested in (with Wilder-Joshua as the only maybe PPV fight for 2018, and likely only PPV fighters for a little while), the focus now is on finding a single broadcaster for the whole PBC effort.

I think that FOX/FS1 has shown the most interest, but settling the UFC deal comes first.

Fans get tons more fights to know and follow the fighters, but there's going to be a level where fights will be on Showtime/CBS, and there's a point beyond that where fights will be on PPV.

Three PPVs in three years, with the rest of the fights on Showtime or free-to-air/cable (FOX/FS1 and BounceTV, in this example).

[Scipio2009]

I mean we all know this, but the reality is no one without a draw is making nice money & PBC has been letting some notable guys go to non-PBC promoters for the first time since there existence.



But can he do that on a regular basis? Can he get into a position where he can get a meaningful deal from that like the PBC plan was?



PBC for sure isn't still PBC. They aren't doing nearly as many big shows on National TV. Everything meaningful is happening on Showtime. They've seemed to transition to another phase to regroup to be something else or find a new player with money to make another attempt at their original goal more intelligently.



Who's saying there is a Fox/FS1 pending deal? And I've never heard Wilder is signed with DiBella. Link to source? There's a huge difference in DiBella being Wilder's promoter cuz he gots him on his card & DiBella having a contract to be Wilder's promoter & he's on his cards.

Haymon seems to deal with regional promoters & where you put on fights seems to play in with who you "promote" on a regular basis, but I've not heard of any of the "free agents" from the Schaefer/GBP situation be signed to a specific PBC promoter.

I get the feeling PBC is in a stage where they are hoping for the best, but kinda know they misplayed there hand & are at the mercy of there lessening options, which aren't great & are about survival more than success right now. Otherwise guys wouldn't be so inactive & misguided in the PBC family as they are these days. I mean Spence didn't fight for 8 or so months & if there is anyone you wanna keep in the public eye its the guy who could become among the biggest guys in boxing in theory.

Still a lot to hopefully find out, but Haymon still looks to deliver for the fighters he represents.

Daniel Jacobs is a young star, but the HBO deal (an apparent 6 guaranteed fights, with a fight against Saul Alvarez almost guaranteed) was an offer that he couldn't refuse. Jermall Charlo is in a different position; just breaking through as a middleweight, a guaranteed title shot in hand, with Houston still ripe for him to build into a hotbed.

Amir Khan is basically being cashed out, Frampton wanted a new situation in the UK, and Selby is chasing his mandatory and Frampton in the UK, etc.

Special cases each of them, but unique from the general direction of things, imo.

[Scipio2009]

I'd argue thats probably about keeping the other MMA outfits at a certain level more than their goal to show a fight
a week just about.

If they didn't have as many shows they wouldn't need to have as many guys on the roster & then those guys would be cut & picked up to strengthen their competitors. If Bellator wasn't around I suspect we'd see less shows. I mean Bellator averaged 2 shows a month this year so they aren't fair behind the UFC.

So I don't disagree with you, but there is a reasoning behind it thats not unlike Haymon's blueprint to make deals with many networks to shut out his competitors. And its like how tech companies will sometimes buy some smaller company with a great idea, not to use that idea, but to block their competitors from buying said product to use against them or to prevent the smaller company with a good idea to grow into a bigger company that becomes a rival.

As good as it is to put forth a quality product today blocking competitors from competing as much as you can without running into legal problems is part of business too.

I get that, but there comes a point where running shows to simply block others out leaves a company with a lot of bloat, and the McGregor-less year has seemed to show that.

With Bellator forcing it's way to viability, the usefulness of the strategy seems to be waning imo.

Focus on delivering the best MMA shows with the best MMA talents.

Then again, it's not my money

[Eff Pandas]

I get that, but there comes a point where running shows to simply block others out leaves a company with a lot of bloat, and the McGregor-less year has seemed to show that.

With Bellator forcing it's way to viability, the usefulness of the strategy seems to be waning imo.

Focus on delivering the best MMA shows with the best MMA talents.

Then again, it's not my money

Thats the cost of trying to drown your competitors. Can't switch it up cuz McGregor is doing his own thing. The long term play ain't got nothing to do with McGregor...its the play to be the only MMA league McGregor Jr will be able to fight for in 2 decades cuz there is no USFL to the UFC's NFL to consider.

[Eff Pandas]

Still a lot to hopefully find out, but Haymon still looks to deliver for the fighters he represents.

Well yea no doubt with that cuz I'm not one of those guys who say Haymon is a promoter instead of a manager, but there is a clear transition thats been going on.

There HAD to be offers for guys in play for the 2 or w/e years no Haymon guy signed with a promoter. SOMETHING has changed I'd argue. Either guys have been frustrated they had to turn down deals for this PBC thing & they pushed harder to opt out of this PBC play or this PBC thing is shedding some weight or something else is going on, but something is going on thats different from whats been going on for most of PBC's life.

[Scipio2009]

Thats the cost of trying to drown your competitors. Can't switch it up cuz McGregor is doing his own thing. The long term play ain't got nothing to do with McGregor...its the play to be the only MMA league McGregor Jr will be able to fight for in 2 decades cuz there is no USFL to the UFC's NFL to consider.

True, I guess.

[Scipio2009]

Well yea no doubt with that cuz I'm not one of those guys who say Haymon is a promoter instead of a manager, but there is a clear transition thats been going on.
I it
There HAD to be offers for guys in play for the 2 or w/e years no Haymon guy signed with a promoter. SOMETHING has changed I'd argue. Either guys have been frustrated they had to turn down deals for this PBC thing & they pushed harder to opt out of this PBC play or this PBC thing is shedding some weight or something else is going on, but something is going on thats different from whats been going on for most of PBC's life.

We'll likely disagree here a bit, but that's the beauty of conversation.

Daniel Jacobs took the leap (no one has ever been clear on the money that he finally got, but he was paid beyond well), and almost beat Gennady Golovkin (personally think that the rep threw him off of his game, but once he saw that it wasn't what they said it was, he fought beautifully).

With all of the belts on HBO (Saunders wasn't going to fight him), getting the deal was far better than having to build to a mandatory, wait till it can be enforced, and haggling over money. You add that HBO locked in 6 fights (guaranteed fights vs options is unknown), and the deal was too good to pass on.

As silly as it sounds now, Adrien Broner could pass on the $40m RocNation deal because, if he was what folks claimed he was supposed to be, he would've made that money and then some anyway (the Maidana stuff had already settled, Broner had already won two fights, and was setting up for a run at 140; with 15 fights to navigate, things would've been bananas if Broner kept winning).

I earnestly think it's got more to do with the individual situation than with PBC, but that's my opinion

[livershot73]

But too many lame ass promoters with big egos are ruining Boxing.
That ****ing sucks for us fans!

right there with you bruh....