Comments Thread For: Oscar De La Hoya is Willing To Promote Fights With Dana White

[Eff Pandas]

Dana will have 0 success if he refuses to work with golden boy or top rank.

Oh stop.

Also I can't for the life of me understand why people keep saying a promoter needs to align with a promoter to be successful. Why would a promoter align with a promoter any damn way outside of for a fight.

This Zuffa Boxing deal needs to align with FIGHTERS. Fighters is one of the things a promoter needs to even be a promoter.

Dana is used to running a monopoly with ufc where he's the only one negotiating with the fighters.

People that don't know the history of the UFC need to quit acting like they know the history of the UFC. It just makes you look dumb.

Dana didn't walk into a monopoly. Dana walked into a struggling business that was called human c#ck fighting, banned from several US states (most in fact iirc, feel free to correct me anyone if I'm wrong) & was losing to the superior product Pride at the time. They flipped that sh^t around. Got it legalized & regulated as a sport. They put Pride & several other MMA leagues out of business & made their company name, UFC, represent to MMA what the NFL does for football or the NBA does for basketball.

And also I never understand why people are so against monopolies in sport. The NFL would suck if they didn't have the monopoly they do. So would most other major sports leagues. All the best athletes in a sport divided ultimately hurts the sports popularity cuz fans don't give a f#ck about 90% of the stuff with monopolies in sports they just wanna be entertained with the best vs the best in their favorite sport.

Personally I'd love to see that in boxing even if it means there are no more Floyd & Manny caliber rich boxers & they have to settle on a mere $10M, $20M+ per fight vs the $40M to $100M+ they can maximize things up to thats more in line with what MMA PPV draws make.

[rrayvez]

Oh stop.

Also I can't for the life of me understand why people keep saying a promoter needs to align with a promoter to be successful. Why would a promoter align with a promoter any damn way outside of for a fight.

This Zuffa Boxing deal needs to align with FIGHTERS. Fighters is one of the things a promoter needs to even be a promoter.



People that don't know the history of the UFC need to quit acting like they know the history of the UFC. It just makes you look dumb.

Dana didn't walk into a monopoly. Dana walked into a struggling business that was called human c#ck fighting, banned from several US states (most in fact iirc, feel free to correct me anyone if I'm wrong) & was losing to the superior product Pride at the time. They flipped that sh^t around. Got it legalized & regulated as a sport. They put Pride & several other MMA leagues out of business & made their company name, UFC, represent to MMA what the NFL does for football or the NBA does for basketball.

And also I never understand why people are so against monopolies in sport. The NFL would suck if they didn't have the monopoly they do. So would most other major sports leagues. All the best athletes in a sport divided ultimately hurts the sports popularity cuz fans don't give a f#ck about 90% of the stuff with monopolies in sports they just wanna be entertained with the best vs the best in their favorite sport.

Personally I'd love to see that in boxing even if it means there are no more Floyd & Manny caliber rich boxers & they have to settle on a mere $10M, $20M+ per fight vs the $40M to $100M+ they can maximize things up to thats more in line with what MMA PPV draws make.

I'd have no problem with a boxing monopoly because it'd be easier to make fights. You wouldn't have to worry about match making as much because it'd be a win win for the people profiting. I also didn't discredit what dana did as a business man with ufc but because he had the opportunity to start from scratch, he was able to build that in a way that'd be impossible to do with a sport like boxing that has been run by promotors for decades and decades. There is no way he'd be able to do that with boxing and for a new incoming promotor, it's a guarantee that you won't have success if you're not willing to work with the established top promotors in the sport.

[Eff Pandas]

I'd have no problem with a boxing monopoly because it'd be easier to make fights. You wouldn't have to worry about match making as much because it'd be a win win for the people profiting.

It'd be a win win for everyone except the top 2 or 3 sellers who make insane money.

I bet it'd be a big win for mid level guys cuz the mid level guys in the UFC seem to be making money at a better clip then mid level boxers.

I also didn't discredit what dana did as a business man with ufc but because he had the opportunity to start from scratch, he was able to build that in a way that'd be impossible to do with a sport like boxing that has been run by promotors for decades and decades.

I see sooooo many holes in how boxing is promoted that the UFC will exploit. And I bet I see a 10th (at best) of the ones Dana & Ari do. Boxing promoters have been doing the same thing since the 90's.

Win or lose the one thing the UFC will do is make long term improvements in boxing, like that XFL deal did with the NFL, even if they fail. So boxing is gonna get better whatever happens cuz Zuffa Boxing isn't gonna phone it in like so many boxing promoters today do.

Dana is a active promoter. He's like DiBella with Arum's intelligence (& no f#cks to give responses). Its gonna be a fun ride whatever happens.

There is no way he'd be able to do that with boxing and for a new incoming promotor, it's a guarantee that you won't have success if you're not willing to work with the established top promotors in the sport.

Why does any promoter have to work with another promoter????? I do not get this at all. I mean okay for a fight, but no one is really working together for any length of time & plenty of these old dusty hermit mfers seem like they are allergic to human contact so its not like a promoter can't work by themselves.

The UFC will do just like everyone else in this regard I'd assume. Come in. Sign some free agents. Put on some shows. Build some names. Win some purse bids. Put on some bigger shows. Show they can do it or not & then they'll get into position to do bigger fights in co-promotions. This ain't gonna be something that can hem up anyone out of the gate.

I mean Evander Holyfield just started a promotion. Who's he working with? Well besides the guy bankrolling the project probably I'd assume, but he's not talking to Arum or Oscar. He's just chugging along at the level he's at with the free agents he was able to pick up.

The UFC gots a better budget & unlike guys with nice budgets in the past, like Roc Nation & PBC, they actually know how to promote a show. The UFC is putting on more big shows per year in the combat sports realm then anyone else in the world. Their learning curve in boxing isn't gonna be as harsh as some boxing fans think. I suspect they have a bigger debut than Hearn's US debut if they go the Haymon free agent route as I bet they will.

If I was Dana I'd be trying to get Spence, the Charlo's & Wilder under their banner to start with. Haymon's been letting his managed fighters sign with promoters more in the past several months then anytime in the past & for sure since PBC has been around.

Supposedly Joshua's deal is up with Hearn sometime in summer(?) & some "new entity in boxing" is looking to pick him up. If that isn't the UFC idk who it'd be & the UFC with Joshua under their banner is an instant player in boxing. I doubt that happens, but if it did boxing at large will need to smarten up real quick or there is gonna be a line of out of business & struggling boxing promoters cuz that'll just be the first step to altering the current form of boxing.

Truth be told I said similar sh^t when the PBC came into business, but I also said back then if you look up my remarks that there is so much f#cking money to be made in this divided sport that someone with some intelligence, a plan & money will learn from PBC's failure if they should fail & rinse & repeat til the landscape of boxing has been altered to a more structurally strong sport like all the other sports have long had figured out. The UFC is the new best bet for that.

I'll say again even if they fail someone else will enter the game 3 or 4 years later with more info & a better plan & just might succeed cuz boxing has too much money & is to ripe for the taking ironically just like the MMA world was a couple decades ago.

[Taxman2000]

Oscar Dela Hoya is a legend and an Olympic gold medal winner what the *** has dana white done other than have 2 rich friends

[kej718]

When was the last time Golden Boy and Top Rank promoted a fight together? They need to do that before they even worry about Dana White. I can see the UFC working with the PBC to bring some cards overseas. That would be good for the sport and fighters would get more exposure.

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[mvooom]

Dana will have 0 success if he refuses to work with golden boy or top rank. Golden boy has the biggest name in the sport right now and top rank has arguably the top 2 pound for pound fighters. Dana is used to running a monopoly with ufc where he's the only one negotiating with the fighters. He's gonna flop. Meanwhile Haymon is content to just let his guys fight once or twice a year and only fight a top fighter every 2-3 yrs.

What about the heavyweight division?

Not saying he shouldn't work with them but making it seem like he is doomed without TR or GBP partnership is flawed thinking.

Loads of other options in various weight classes out there for Dana if he chooses to completely ignore them both.

[Scipio2009]

Dana will have 0 success if he refuses to work with golden boy or top rank. Golden boy has the biggest name in the sport right now and top rank has arguably the top 2 pound for pound fighters. Dana is used to running a monopoly with ufc where he's the only one negotiating with the fighters. He's gonna flop. Meanwhile Haymon is content to just let his guys fight once or twice a year and only fight a top fighter every 2-3 yrs.

lol.

The lifeblood of Zuffa (UFC and this coming Zuffa Boxing effort) is the conversion of their MMA stars into PPV attractions (no idea what the actual numbers are, but if you're drawing 500k+ homes per PPV, I think Zuffa would be ecstatic).

Zuffa Boxing is basically going to maximize the non-PPV content package (on which Zuffa is looking to earn $4b over ten years).

Whatever content Zuffa Boxing is looking for, Haymon can deliver it (Showtime is still going to get the biggest fights, but anything else is available; Khan in a tickover, Broner, Omar Figueroa Jr, Caleb Plant's final eliminator, the young prospects that have been coming through on FS1, returning guys like Travis Kaufman, etc, all matched in good fights).

Golden Boy doesn't have enough now to deliver much beyond Alvarez's undercards, nevermind talk of trying to fill 20-25 extra dates with actual fights.

[Scipio2009]

Oh stop.

Also I can't for the life of me understand why people keep saying a promoter needs to align with a promoter to be successful. Why would a promoter align with a promoter any damn way outside of for a fight.

This Zuffa Boxing deal needs to align with FIGHTERS. Fighters is one of the things a promoter needs to even be a promoter.



People that don't know the history of the UFC need to quit acting like they know the history of the UFC. It just makes you look dumb.

Dana didn't walk into a monopoly. Dana walked into a struggling business that was called human c#ck fighting, banned from several US states (most in fact iirc, feel free to correct me anyone if I'm wrong) & was losing to the superior product Pride at the time. They flipped that sh^t around. Got it legalized & regulated as a sport. They put Pride & several other MMA leagues out of business & made their company name, UFC, represent to MMA what the NFL does for football or the NBA does for basketball.

And also I never understand why people are so against monopolies in sport. The NFL would suck if they didn't have the monopoly they do. So would most other major sports leagues. All the best athletes in a sport divided ultimately hurts the sports popularity cuz fans don't give a f#ck about 90% of the stuff with monopolies in sports they just wanna be entertained with the best vs the best in their favorite sport.

Personally I'd love to see that in boxing even if it means there are no more Floyd & Manny caliber rich boxers & they have to settle on a mere $10M, $20M+ per fight vs the $40M to $100M+ they can maximize things up to thats more in line with what MMA PPV draws make.

My only bone of contention with your post is the UFC drove PrideFC out of business, which is untrue; the smear of being a front for the Yakuza drove PrideFC out of business.

The UFC got their hands on a distressed asset, took a heavyweight division that starred Tim Sylvia, and immediately evolved to feature Pride's heavyweight division (arguably the deepest and broadest influx of talent in the UFC's history).

Remove the Yakuza stuff, and Pride's heavyweights still rock the world, the light heavyweights (Rampage, Lil Nog, Shogun, etc) stay in Japan, and promising talent on the come up likely choose the spectacle that is PrideFC and it's more open striking rules over the wrestler-dominant arts that the UFC fashioned itself to be.

Would've been a different world, lol.

[Eff Pandas]

My only bone of contention with your post is the UFC drove PrideFC out of business, which is untrue; the smear of being a front for the Yakuza drove PrideFC out of business.

The UFC got their hands on a distressed asset, took a heavyweight division that starred Tim Sylvia, and immediately evolved to feature Pride's heavyweight division (arguably the deepest and broadest influx of talent in the UFC's history).

Remove the Yakuza stuff, and Pride's heavyweights still rock the world, the light heavyweights (Rampage, Lil Nog, Shogun, etc) stay in Japan, and promising talent on the come up likely choose the spectacle that is PrideFC and it's more open striking rules over the wrestler-dominant arts that the UFC fashioned itself to be.

Would've been a different world, lol.

I've legit never heard that the Yakuza drove Pride outta business (or at least that I can recall, mighta forget about it, not like Pride is super relevant these days obviously), but I'll have to look into all that to remind myself.

My understanding was Pride was overpaying guys & just not being a well run company behind the scenes which led to liquidity problems & borrowing money. I could see how the Yakuza could play into all that to though I suppose. Got no reason to doubt you though as I know you go down the rabbit hole on sh^t like this enough to know these types of things. Fair play thanks for correcting me.

Overall point remains the same, Dana didn't go into a favorable situation with the UFC so there is no reason he can't do some damage in boxing too.