As An HBO subscriber, I'm not interested in seeing Spike O'Sullivan in a main event.

[Boxing Logic]

Danny Jacobs and Demetrius Andrade have both called out Spike O'Sullivan, because as sadly seems to be a regular occurrence these days with American fighters, they are looking for the easiest cherry pick they can find that HBO will accept and still pay them the main event guarantee in their contracts. Contrast that with Lomachenko and GGG who always wanted to face the BEST available guy. That's why they've become stars, while Jacobs and Andrade haven't.

You know who is free for both of them? Each other. That's the fight that should be made. Jacobs vs Andrade. O'Sullivan beating Omar Douglas at this stage does not prove anything. It does not make O'Sullivan a main event HBO fighter, or a legitimate opponent for top 5 guys at 160, like Jacobs and Andrade, to be fighting. They both just had tuneups! HBO has a limited budget as it is, some of which was already wasted on tuneups for both of them just a month ago! That they both squandered, by the way, by playing it safe and failing to stop their C-level opponents. Enough! HBO please do not waste any more of your subscribers money on fights they have no interest in seeing.

Jacobs is free. Andrade is free. Deryvanchenko is free. Saunders is free. Those four should be fighting next, period. Even Murata would be miles better than O'Sullivan, and Murata is free. Or you know what, have O'Sullivan fight Murata, and if O'Sullivan can actually beat him, then maybe a fight between him and Jacobs or Andrade would be interesting. But not now. He didn't look impressive vs Douglas, Douglas just looked like a shot fighter. He gave O'Sullivan dozens of flush right hands and they still did nothing to a guy who has already been knocked out, until eventually the accumulation stopped him. But if you can show a lack of power in a fight where you knock out your opponent, O'Sullivan did that. He showed no athleticism, speed, or power on the level that would make an interesting fight with Jacobs or Andrade.

Charlo will also be free soon. There are plenty of acceptable opponents for Andrade and Jacobs, including, if all else fails, each other. They both just had their HBO tuneup. Let's go already. Any top 5 middleweight who calls out Spike O'Sullivan from this point on until O'Sullivan actually beats someone in the top 10 is telling the world they don't want to be great, they just want easy money. And they miss the irony that fans notice that, and don't want to be fans of fighters like that, which ultimately prevents them from making money, because you need fans to make money. I hope HBO is smart enough to demand better than either of them vs Spike O'Sullivan.

And Andrade, stop ducking Deryvachenko, and everyone else, or everyone is going to start believing you're a fake. You already dropped out of the Charlo fight years ago, then recently you started calling guys out for once as if you were a true champion after all, but now you just made excuses not to fight Deryvanchenko in December, so if you make yet another one not to fight him early this year like Deryvanchenko's team called for, and go try to fight Spike O'Sullivan instead, then everyone will know, without any more doubt, that you are all talk. The pattern will be clear then.

[Eff Pandas]

I don't think anyone is, but idk that there are many viable fights for Jacobs considering the risk & the prospects of him being on the GGG & Canelo shortlist after May potentially.

This is the business part of the sport that most of us hate even when we understand & accept it. I'd love to see it not be a reality, but til boxing has some power structure that creates a quality control of high caliber fights, like most every other professional sport, this is a free market, like no other sport has, that doesn't exist elsewhere & will have cats making moves that wouldn't be doable elsewhere.

I mean imagine if the best NFL team could line up the 16 worse teams for their regular season to insure getting to the playoffs each year lol. Well welcome to professional boxing. Granted its not quite that bad most of the time, but thats the basic dynamic at work in boxing.

[Boxing Logic]

For the record I also have no interest in Sadam Ali either. When your opponent suffers a gruesome injury mid fight that has nothing to do with you punching them, that victory doesn't count. Cotto was coming on and on his way to stopping Ali in my opinion before that happened. In any case Ali has already proven not to be a top 147, let alone at 154. If HBO wants to feature him on an undercard against say a Vanes Martirosan at 154, that's fine, and if Ali can actually prove he's a top 154 by clearly beating an uninjured opponent on that level, then absolutely fights with him at 154 would be become interesting after that. But at this point, they are not. Cotto got injured in their fight and he still couldn't stop Cotto, who has been stopped before. Cotto is also old for boxing and that showed vs Kamegai as well. So HBO, Peter Nelson, please do not waste what boxing budget you do have on fights no one wants to see. It doesn't work like that where just because someone gets a win on HBO, no matter the surrounding circumstances, fans are automatically interested in seeing them again. It doesn't work like that at all. They actually have to be look impressive, either by beating top opposition (neither one did), or by absolutely dominating B-level opposition (neither one did). I'm not saying O'Sullivan or Ali should be blacklisted by HBO or anything, but I am saying they still need to prove it against better, prime, uninjured opponents before fans will be interested in seeing them against guys with elite ability.

[Boxing Logic]

I don't think anyone is, but idk that there are many viable fights for Jacobs considering the risk & the prospects of him being on the GGG & Canelo shortlist after May potentially.

This is the business part of the sport that most of us hate even when we understand & accept it. I'd love to see it not be a reality, but til boxing has some power structure that creates a quality control of high caliber fights, like most every other professional sport, this is a free market, like no other sport has, that doesn't exist elsewhere & will have cats making moves that wouldn't be doable elsewhere.

I mean imagine if the best NFL team could line up the 16 worse teams for their regular season to insure getting to the playoffs each year lol. Well welcome to professional boxing. Granted its not quite that bad most of the time, but thats the basic dynamic at work in boxing.

The GGG-Canelo winner, which is likely to be Canelo since that is what the boxing establishment wants, and they always get what they want, and that is why the fight is happening when GGG is 36 years old... is only going to fight twice a year. Currently the following boxers all want that fight: Saunders, Charlo, Jacobs, Deryvanchenko, Andrade.

Saunders has the unification option which may put off a mandatory, and then Charlo and Deryvanchenko have next claims to that fight due to the mandatory positions. Doesn't Murata also? So Jacobs is looking at 2.5 year wait to fight Canelo or GGG again. If it's GGG he may be retired by then. Andrade is looking at a 3 year wait. Is that really their plan? Fight bums for 2-3 more years until they get a big money fight? And HBO is going to subsidize them doing that?

Anyway, it shouldn't matter what Jacobs and Andrade want. If they're not willing to face the top competition, Jacobs can go back to PBC and have his career continue to wilt away where there are no fights, and Andrade can go back to his stalled career before HBO tried to revive it as a favor to him. It should be up to HBO. HBO is who is paying these guys trying to elevate Jacobs career and save Andrade's. I highly doubt they signed onto that so that Andrade and Jacobs could cherry pick. The deal as far as people made it seem like was that each would get one tuneup to reintroduce them to HBO audiences, and then the next fight would be a top opponent for each of them to build their names so that they would actually be viable PPV opponents for Canelo or GGG if they won. Spike O'Sullivan does not qualify.

I mean, isn't that why HBO was trying to make Andrade vs Deryvanchenko? That was a first step to building up the winner as a future PPV opponent. But now Andrade is making excuses to duck that fight and calling out Spike ****ing O'Sullivan instead? Wtf is that? I feel like an idiot for defending Andrade. WTF is that ****??? For real.

[Madison Boxing]

Danny Jacobs and Demetrius Andrade have both called out Spike O'Sullivan, because as sadly seems to be a regular occurrence these days with American fighters, they are looking for the easiest cherry pick they can find that HBO will accept and still pay them the main event guarantee in their contracts. Contrast that with Lomachenko and GGG who always wanted to face the BEST available guy. That's why they've become stars, while Jacobs and Andrade haven't.

You know who is free for both of them? Each other. That's the fight that should be made. Jacobs vs Andrade. O'Sullivan beating Omar Douglas at this stage does not prove anything. It does not make O'Sullivan a main event HBO fighter, or a legitimate opponent for top 5 guys at 160, like Jacobs and Andrade, to be fighting. They both just had tuneups! HBO has a limited budget as it is, some of which was already wasted on tuneups for both of them just a month ago! That they both squandered, by the way, by playing it safe and failing to stop their C-level opponents. Enough! HBO please do not waste any more of your subscribers money on fights they have no interest in seeing.

Jacobs is free. Andrade is free. Deryvanchenko is free. Saunders is free. Those four should be fighting next, period. Even Murata would be miles better than O'Sullivan, and Murata is free. Or you know what, have O'Sullivan fight Murata, and if O'Sullivan can actually beat him, then maybe a fight between him and Jacobs or Andrade would be interesting. But not now. He didn't look impressive vs Douglas, Douglas just looked like a shot fighter. He gave O'Sullivan dozens of flush right hands and they still did nothing to a guy who has already been knocked out, until eventually the accumulation stopped him. But if you can show a lack of power in a fight where you knock out your opponent, O'Sullivan did that. He showed no athleticism, speed, or power on the level that would make an interesting fight with Jacobs or Andrade.

Charlo will also be free soon. There are plenty of acceptable opponents for Andrade and Jacobs, including, if all else fails, each other. They both just had their HBO tuneup. Let's go already. Any top 5 middleweight who calls out Spike O'Sullivan from this point on until O'Sullivan actually beats someone in the top 10 is telling the world they don't want to be great, they just want easy money. And they miss the irony that fans notice that, and don't want to be fans of fighters like that, which ultimately prevents them from making money, because you need fans to make money. I hope HBO is smart enough to demand better than either of them vs Spike O'Sullivan.

And Andrade, stop ducking Deryvachenko, and everyone else, or everyone is going to start believing you're a fake. You already dropped out of the Charlo fight years ago, then recently you started calling guys out for once as if you were a true champion after all, but now you just made excuses not to fight Deryvanchenko in December, so if you make yet another one not to fight him early this year like Deryvanchenko's team called for, and go try to fight Spike O'Sullivan instead, then everyone will know, without any more doubt, that you are all talk. The pattern will be clear then.

well said ^ All boxing is turning into is a 'who can look most impresive against a fringe contender' contest. If someone beats the fringe guy better than someone else, that seems to mean they are the best, rather then them proving it against each other.

[Eff Pandas]

The GGG-Canelo winner, which is likely to be Canelo since that is what the boxing establishment wants, and they always get what they want, and that is why the fight is happening when GGG is 36 years old... is only going to fight twice a year. Currently the following boxers all want that fight: Saunders, Charlo, Jacobs, Deryvanchenko, Andrade.

Saunders has the unification option which may put off a mandatory, and then Charlo and Deryvanchenko have next claims to that fight due to the mandatory positions. Doesn't Murata also? So Jacobs is looking at 2.5 year wait to fight Canelo or GGG again. If it's GGG he may be retired by then. Andrade is looking at a 3 year wait. Is that really their plan? Fight bums for 2-3 more years until they get a big money fight? And HBO is going to subsidize them doing that?

Anyway, it shouldn't matter what Jacobs and Andrade want. If they're not willing to face the top competition, Jacobs can go back to PBC and have his career continue to wilt away where there are no fights, and Andrade can go back to his stalled career before HBO tried to revive it as a favor to him. It should be up to HBO. HBO is who is paying these guys trying to elevate Jacobs career and save Andrade's. I highly doubt they signed onto that so that Andrade and Jacobs could cherry pick. The deal as far as people made it seem like was that each would get one tuneup to reintroduce them to HBO audiences, and then the next fight would be a top opponent for each of them to build their names so that they would actually be viable PPV opponents for Canelo or GGG if they won. Spike O'Sullivan does not qualify.

You said a ton of sh^t here bro so I don't even know where to start, but Jacobs isn't gonna have to wait 2.5yrs to fight GGG or Canelo. It wouldn't shock me if he gets one of them this year (whoever loses in May perhaps) & I'd be shocked if he didn't get one in 2019 worse case. He's on the shortlist as long as he keeps winning so they aren't gonna fight anyone TOO threatening imo. Or if its a threatening opponent it'll be with the guarantee of GGG or Canelo if they win.

But now Andrade is making excuses to duck that fight and calling out Spike ****ing O'Sullivan instead? Wtf is that? I feel like an idiot for defending Andrade. WTF is that ****??? For real.

Besides James Kirkland its extremely likely Andrade is the dumbest guy in boxing. So I wouldn't defend that guy too much in general cuz it'll just stress you out cuz that guy is his own worst enemy.

[Mammoth]

It's all about the rankings.....

[Cheek busting]

Same.

I love the guy, and enjoy watching him fight, and would Love him to be on undercards, but he's NOT a HBO main-event fighter.

It is quite pathetic that Andrade and Jacobs are calling him out LOL..

[N/A]

HBO subscribers are going to have to accept that almost any major fight HBO can make is going on pay-per-view. The days of big fights live on HBO are going to be few and far between from now on.

[Mammoth]

HBO subscribers are going to have to accept that almost any major fight HBO can make is going on pay-per-view. The days of big fights live on HBO are going to be few and far between from now on.

HBO sucks but you would think both Andrade and Jacobs want Spike because he's ranked, right?