Comments Thread For: Showtime Sports Prez To White: We Can't Release Fake Numbers!

[Fire4231]

Not a big fan of SE but he spoke with class and intelligence by saying what's the biggest problem with these promoters !!! Fans come first shame it won't happen cause we been missing great match ups.

Amen brother!!

[Fire4231]

Stop supporting the smaller factions to force everyone under one umbrella. Then you'll get the fights you want.

What does this even mean? Who are the smaller factions? Who holds the one umbrella? Bro... just demand the fights we want to see and never respect promotional boundaries or profits. That continued demand translates to dollars and places pressure on cross promotion. Lastly don’t support the garbage predictable replacement fight the promoter/Network uses to placate the boxing masses. Great fights will happen when garbage fights aren’t profitable.

[Fire4231]

Not a big fan of SE but he spoke with class and intelligence by saying what's the biggest problem with these promoters !!! Fans come first shame it won't happen cause we been missing great match ups.

After Showtimes outstanding 2017 I am a fan. The quality control on there matchups has been taken to the next level. While HBO is spiraling downward with their designer fighters who need to be protected to stay champion. Showtime ran boxing like a sport and HBO ran boxing like Pro-Wrestling.

[Regulus]

After Showtimes outstanding 2017 I am a fan. The quality control on there matchups has been taken to the next level. While HBO is spiraling downward with their designer fighters who need to be protected to stay champion. Showtime ran boxing like a sport and HBO ran boxing like Pro-Wrestling.

Amen to that.....

[Fire4231]

What if he wants to get Haymon to leave Showtime and bring his stable to UFC's new TV home?

Lol...What’s your source. Showtime and Haymon’s partnership has never been better?

[N/A]

What does this even mean? Who are the smaller factions?

Right now the biggest faction is Haymon, the second biggest is HBO and now Arum has split off so we have three factions, which is way too many. Boxing fans would benefit the most if there was only one major universe instead of three.

Who holds the one umbrella?

Of the three, Haymon has the best chance long term of emerging as the clear dominant universe.

Bro... just demand the fights we want to see and never respect promotional boundaries or profits.

Demand all you want. It's not going to stop promoters from doing everything possible to cling to their power to try to stay in the business. Power can shift in this industry very quickly. It wasn't that long ago that Don King had major control, now he has none. It wasn't that long ago that Gary Shaw had major control, now he has none. It wasn't that long ago that Murad Muhammad wielded major power, now he has none.

If you're not careful, one or two losses can radically shift your position in the industry and take you from top promoter with endless TV dates to completely extinct.

[N/A]

Lol...What’s your source. Showtime and Haymon’s partnership has never been better?

I need a source to ask a hypothetical question?

[Fire4231]

May vs. McGreg was a flop. Gayna is just mad cause Showtime wouldn’t roll with him and his fake numbers.

#flop

Lol... This had to be a troll/ bot. Don’t think I have read anything this delusional. If the second highest US PPV of 4.4 million was a flop, what was Canelo vs bum son of Chavez? More importantly what was Canelo vs. GGG?

[rickJen]

So if they weren't fake, then they made tons of money, right?
Are we going to expect Showtime to finally address the inactivity issue for their fighters this year?
We'll soon see. Let's all keep an eagle eye on these people.
Let's see how many months Danny Swift, for example, takes before surfacing after the Rios fight.
Man there's lots of them we'll keep a watchful eye on.
You guys need to start writing list of fights that will be made this year.

[Fire4231]

Right now the biggest faction is Haymon, the second biggest is HBO and now Arum has split off so we have three factions, which is way too many. Boxing fans would benefit the most if there was only one major universe instead of three.




Of the three, Haymon has the best chance long term of emerging as the clear dominant universe.




Demand all you want. It's not going to stop promoters from doing everything possible to cling to their power to try to stay in the business. Power can shift in this industry very quickly. It wasn't that long ago that Don King had major control, now he has none. It wasn't that long ago that Gary Shaw had major control, now he has none. It wasn't that long ago that Murad Muhammad wielded major power, now he has none.

If you're not careful, one or two losses can radically shift your position in the industry and take you from top promoter with endless TV dates to completely extinct.

I think we are mostly on the same page. Your statement was just a bit ambiguous. Promoters don’t have power buyers and viewers do. The key is when you become a network or promoter fan boys we lose our power. I just don’t see a scenario where all the other promoters go out of business completely. It would be great if we could have M & A activity in boxing where the powerful fresh outlook could gobble up the old guard. Otherwise how does that even happen? My guess is Arum would cross promote and rip up the exclusive network deals before letting Top Rank die on the vine. If fans do what I am suggesting, it exhibits our power. Promoters couldn’t stay in business that refuse the make the best fights. That’s the point we are both making. But having a cooperative promotion model is more ideal than having a monopoly. That is what’s great about AL’s model as a “manger,” he can bridge the promotor divide. But shady promoters don’t like home because they couldn’t under pay the fighters. I like Haymon, fans should have supported him in the beginning. Too many idiots turned down free boxing when it was fresh trying to keep the old self serving guard viable. The only way any entity pulls boxing together is to consistently make the best fights. This is the reason Arum’s Business model is falling short because the in-house strategy disrupted the best fights and delivered leftovers, repeats and piping hot garbage to the masses. HBO said bye now ESPN has to convince Arum to co-promote to keep their investment viable.