Posters claim being undefeated means nothing...

[Dean_Razorback]

your entire life revolves around floyd, doesn't it?

[chrisJS]

your entire life revolves around floyd, doesn't it?

Yeah. Every thread it's just him looking for something directly or indirectly linked to Floyd and it's always on "must defend" or "must hate" mode.

[Robbie Barrett]

You make up your own rules and assumptions there at the end.

Of course. If the consensus scorecard is Castillo 7-5 with a number of 8-4s vs. the consensus 7-5 Calzaghe with more 8-4 Calzaghe's than 6-6 Hopkins it's more controversial. Bottom line is the majority had Castillo over Mayweather whereas the large majority had Calzaghe over Hopkins.

I remember when Mayweather-Castillo I happened and the outrage and believe me Mayweather didn't have a large fan base back then (assuming you weren't a fan yet?) and he didn't have a ton of haters either. People were more inclined to feel stronger about Hopkins-Calzaghe due to the buildup and how established both were at that time.

Where are you getting these numbers from? You are claiming it's a consensus that Castillo and Calzaghe won? Show the numbers.

You made a claim it was wrong. Instead of admitting you were wrong you start spinning. So show us the proof of these consensus results.

[Robbie Barrett]

Yeah. Every thread it's just him looking for something directly or indirectly linked to Floyd and it's always on "must defend" or "must hate" mode.

The funny thing is. You cry about people "discrediting" Golovkin and Lomachenko but you do the exact same thing with Mayweather.

[Tutsa]

Step in

We all have opinions and beliefs but if you have never wrapped your hands or stepped in the ring ... How can you understand or explain these ideas when that person never even sparred in his life . I'm a boxing fan just like everyone else on this forum . Now I'm not your average casual fan more of a crazy passionate fan that loves all style s of boxing !! Yeah I have NY favorites and I have my non favorite s but I'll call it like i see it .. I won't bring up ****** excuses or bash another fighter cause they beat my fighter . I never was a fan of BJS before I seen him fight last month . It was great to see him dismantle DL with ease also on his hone turf . What did Lapuke do nothing but complain and excuse after excuse . Billy Joe delivered in style it was nice throw back fight he gave us , very impressive !! I believe he give GGG and Ginger. A tough fight which ever wins in may .. Jacobs is calling him out but he is not the champ or ranked higher if I'm correct so you want the whole belt gotta go to the UK .. great fight though , don't think hearn wants any part of BJS to be honest !!

[chrisJS]

Where are you getting these numbers from? You are claiming it's a consensus that Castillo and Calzaghe won? Show the numbers.

You made a claim it was wrong. Instead of admitting you were wrong you start spinning. So show us the proof of these consensus results.

So you are denying that wasn't the consensus? Do you remember Mayweather-Castillo I when it happened? The media cards are in print somewhere I'm sure but it's 15 years ago not far if the message boards or media scores trace back that far back to be able to find in google.

You can also see the way non Mayweather fans and not Calzaghe fans score those fights today if you did a poll or just the way people talk about either fight.

[Robbie Barrett]

So you are denying that wasn't the consensus? Do you remember Mayweather-Castillo I when it happened? The media cards are in print somewhere I'm sure but it's 15 years ago not far if the message boards or media scores trace back that far back to be able to find in google.

You can also see the way non Mayweather fans and not Calzaghe fans score those fights today if you did a poll or just the way people talk about either fight.

Yes i am. Show the proof.

You denied anyone had Hopkins winning. I found the evidence to prove you wrong. Your turn to do the same.

[chrisJS]

Yes i am. Show the proof.

You denied anyone had Hopkins winning. I found the evidence to prove you wrong. Your turn to do the same.

I said "wasn't controversial" and it wasn't and isn't. Mayweather-Castillo I was controversial as tons believe Castillo was robbed. It was 2002 and the forums don't go back that far. Perhaps go to YouTube and see. You didn't answer if you saw it live and remember the take on it back then?

[Robbie Barrett]

I said "wasn't controversial" and it wasn't and isn't. Mayweather-Castillo I was controversial as tons believe Castillo was robbed.

So you're making claims you can't back up?

You don't know the definition of "controversial" either?

[Slicc]

He tied, drawed, fought him to a stalemate, he failed to prove he was the superior man. You fight to win. As far as I'm concerned ties in professional sports are ****** as **** and just as bad as losing.

He didn't fight Canelo to a stalemate, two of the judges just didn't know what they were watching. Anyone who knows a thing or two about boxing, knows that sus scorecards are common in the sport. You think a draw's as bad as a loss? Okay...