Comments Thread For: Mayweather: Lomachenko is Being Underpaid By Bottom Rank!

[robbyheartbaby]

This is ironic because if it's all about fighting the best then why does Loma want to fight Davis right now?

Lmao it's like you guys don't think things through

because he's the best at 130 I don't get what you mean?

[travestyny]

Ok how about you put down the "I hate Arum handbook" of excuses and actually address what I said. You said some misleading stuff which I checked you on and here you go jumping years ahead and not looking at the real issues..oh and for the record. Show me one Arum fighter who retired broke or went broke quickly after leaving him? Not one. Yet he's Don King..also not sure what world you live in son but the typical rate for a manager is 10-15%, the typical fee fee for an agent/promoter is 10-25%. So yeah he's taking his slice just like CAA is, just like Oscar is, just like Dibella is, just like Main Events is....I don't do this sensationalizing bullshh you seem so keen on. Let's also ignore the fact Floyd got to actually have a career because Arum paid off J.Prince who wanted to end his f'ing career.

Dude, you need to relax. All of that son talk and all of that is unnecessary. You seem to be worked up over nothing.

I've explained this to you already. I didn't jump the gun about anything. I told you that the relationship became so acrimonious that they began suing each other, and Bob Arum admit that he was withholding money from Mayweather. Now whatever percentages you listed above, I guess that means in his head he was charging more than that. lol It's not rocket science.

You asked me to address that Floyd was paid a lot early on. Well I addressed it. If that is what he was promised, then there is no problem. And where did that extra money come from? Likely Arum was ripping someone else off!

The problem comes in when he is promised funds that are not paid. I'm talking about contractually promised funds. That is what happened on more than one occasion. This is a fact that Arum admit to!

Let me put it to you as simply as I can:

There is a difference between being paid well and not being paid well.

And there is a bigger difference in being CHEATED out of money you are obligated to.

If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

And what the actual **** does going broke AFTER LEAVING HIM have to do with anything. How about someone who made a shltload more money after leaving him because Arum was stifling their money to pad his own pockets. I think you can think of one fighter that falls into that category.

[turnedup]

Dude, you need to relax. All of that son talk and all of that is unnecessary. You seem to be worked up over nothing.

I've explained this to you already. I didn't jump the gun about anything. I told you that the relationship became so acrimonious that they began suing each other, and Bob Arum admit that he was withholding money from Mayweather. Now whatever percentages you listed above, I guess that means in his head he was charging more than that. lol It's not rocket science.

You asked me to address that Floyd was paid a lot early on. Well I addressed it. If that is what he was promised, then there is no problem. And where did that extra money come from? Likely Arum was ripping someone else off!

The problem comes in when he is promised funds that are not paid. I'm talking about contractually promised funds. That is what happened on more than one occasion. This is a fact that Arum admit to!

Let me put it to you as simply as I can:

There is a difference between being paid well and not being paid well.

And there is a bigger difference in being CHEATED out of money you are obligated to.

If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

And what the actual **** does going broke AFTER LEAVING HIM have to do with anything. How about someone who made a shltload more money after leaving him because Arum was stifling their money to pad his own pockets. I think you can think of one fighter that falls into that category.

One, I honestly don't care about a boxers pockets. That's not why I watch the sport. Money owed, I don't have his contract nor did I negotiate it. I could sue you right now for owed money, and then settle privately and all people know/think is "you owed me money" whether you did or did not. We could really go into breaking down how contracts work but that's pointless because 1. We don't know what was borrowed against that. 2. We don't know who he also had contracts with outside of JPrince. 3. See the first sentence of this post. So yeah we don't agree on Arum cool, i'll still respect your boxing overall opinion but this is truly a topic I don't honestly care enough about because my pockets are more important than either of theirs. You say he wasn't paid well, his lifetime at the period said otherwise. So it is what it is. Peace to you.

[travestyny]

One, I honestly don't care about a boxers pockets. That's not why I watch the sport. Money owed, I don't have his contract nor did I negotiate it. I could sue you right now for owed money, and then settle privately and all people know/think is "you owed me money" whether you did or did not. We could really go into breaking down how contracts work but that's pointless because 1. We don't know what was borrowed against that. 2. We don't know who he also had contracts with outside of JPrince. 3. See the first sentence of this post. So yeah we don't agree on Arum cool, i'll still respect your boxing overall opinion but this is truly a topic I don't honestly care enough about because my pockets are more important than either of theirs. You say he wasn't paid well, his lifetime at the period said otherwise. So it is what it is. Peace to you.

Bro, that's why I gave you the quotation. He admitted to withholding the money.

But yea, it is what it is. Peace be to you as well, from a fellow New Yorker with that Jack Johnson pic. Respect.

[Curt Henning]

Some other issue I have with Floyd? LMFAO ok, there are maybe five original Floyd fans on here who rode with Floyd dating back to the Olympics..i'm among them....hell before the damn olympics at that! So don't try to paint this as me having an issue with Floyd as an athlete. Him as a promoter is full of shhh. His company is small? Try telling him that, yet his biggest stars aren't out earning the middle of the pack Top Rank fighters and that says plenty. LMFAO...Steve Stoute and Kid N' Play..someone here watches Drink Champs and thinks I can't connect the dots. Matter of fact i'll pull your skirt right quick...what was Steve's official job title with Kid N' Play..if you really had your ear to the street and had "coverage" you'd know the answer to that.

stoute was their traveling manager

i dont even know what drink champs is? tv show or something? never heard of it

and the line was an R.A. line....ive been down and probably know more about the streets than most of the guys that claim to be from them around here...and im a white kid from the burbs

we all know the reality of floyds promo company...i shouldnt have to explain....then theres Top Rank over there thats one of the giants in the sport and been around for decades......its apples to oranges....

example....this guy that was running his mouth earlier talking about how crawford makes what danny and thurman make.......till i pointed out that bob is taking 30 percent and they now have to pay another 8 percents to crawfords old company....so they taking 38 off the top before hes even taxed

arum has about 3 guys with star potential that can earn...pac, crawford and loma....of course he has to pay them fairly...or well....

bottom line is guys end up disgruntled with bob when people give them the lowdown...mikey spent almost 3 years to get out from under him...and do u see mikey begging to go back? all these guys claiming mikey lost all this money....chavez lost all this money leaving bob....but i dont hear them crying or begging to go back....floyd sure is happy with the way things turned out...pretty sure oscar was too...

pac been taking advances out on fights for the last 8 years.....floyd hasnt even seen checks for the pac fight yet(he takes small monthly checks for his fights....hes prob still getting paid from the cotto or canelo fights lol

like i said...bob isnt terrible for fighters...he does a good job building them....he pays them....but hes not out there looking out and more than one guy has been disgruntled and left.......pac just wasnt smart enough....pac saw fat checks he never imagined and never questioned anything because it was like winning the lotto

dont think you can "pull my skirt up"

i grew up on PE, EPMD, Kane etc.....

[Curt Henning]

Some other issue I have with Floyd? LMFAO ok, there are maybe five original Floyd fans on here who rode with Floyd dating back to the Olympics..i'm among them....hell before the damn olympics at that! So don't try to paint this as me having an issue with Floyd as an athlete. Him as a promoter is full of shhh. His company is small? Try telling him that, yet his biggest stars aren't out earning the middle of the pack Top Rank fighters and that says plenty. LMFAO...Steve Stoute and Kid N' Play..someone here watches Drink Champs and thinks I can't connect the dots. Matter of fact i'll pull your skirt right quick...what was Steve's official job title with Kid N' Play..if you really had your ear to the street and had "coverage" you'd know the answer to that.

ok so drink champs is some youtube show hosted by Nore? is that what im getting? i ran a search on it

Nore is cool...you could pop in War Report and i could still recite the entire album backwards...ive seen him rock in NY and boston....hes a funny bastard

but im also an adult and i dont have time to watch youtube podcasts about the world of hip hop anymore

[Curt Henning]

ill say this one more time before i dip for the night....in case you dont understand what im saying

top rank is the biggest company in the sport....been around longer than golden boy....don king is dead...TR been around and they do a good job building guys....

floyds company is basically a joke and just a mask for haymon....because he cant have a promoters license....and all they really do is small shows around vegas and wherever.......look at the guys they have? i mean the only names most boxing fans are familiar with are theophane, bogere, dulorme, love, bey...and they are all basically trash......davis is the one that has star potential.....but do you expect 23 year old tank to be getting paid the same as a 30 year old loma whom TR has been pushing hard for the last few years? i know i wouldnt.....how many 23 year old guys are making loma, danny, thurman, or crawford money? none of them

all floyd is saying is that when you get free from bob you can still make the same money and keep more of it....just because haymon was the mastermind behind everything doesnt mean floyd wasnt around learning about some of the particulars and finances......its not like haymon just said "hey floyd we gotta buy you out of that TR contract i got big plans...dont worry why just listen to me" and floyd just said "ok al dont tell me why i just trust you"....

bob basically looks at these guys like peasants and wants them to be yes men...he likes them eating from his hand the way pac was/has.....floyd is just warning loma...sure loma can do fine and make a good living but i believe floyd thinks loma is truly going to be short a few bucks he could have had when its all said and done

nothing floyd said here is doing anything to tarnish any legacy of his....thats an absolutely asinine statement imo......

[elfag]

Same Mayweather who complains about his fighters asking for too much money.

Mayweather: I'll Tell Haymon - Fighters Getting Too Much Money!

read that article though, it points out Haymond is having issues with some of his PBC fighters now demanding too high of purses.... because they got used to it on PBC... if you recall, PBC wasnt haymonds money but investor groups and PBC went bankrupt. ie - they were overpaying the fighters and it wasnt profitable.

[deanrw]

What this whole thing comes down to is Floyd simply trying to deflect the idea of Tank vs Loma. That entire Fight-hype interview overflowed with desperation.

Floyd: "Loma looked slow and robotic"
Loma: "floyd stop hiding tank from me"
Floyd: "Were in no rush"
Loma: "I enjoy duck hunting"
Floyd: "Arum is ripping Loma off"

[TrueBox]

Nobody's perfect. Just like the rich patronizing lower classes below them. who cares.

Ironically...Floyd's net worth...

Nobody's perfect alright but you can always try to be a better person, a classier individual. Don't just physically leave the ****** but take the ****** out of you.

His $$$ is his. Not yours. So don't brag about what's not yours. That's lamer than lame.