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So, there are no rules or guidelines to say when a fighter is accustomed to making weight at a division? No formula of fighter A has been fighting in division X for Y number of fights. No time frame to go by. Just "it depends on the fighter" and "it's common sense" Your definitions are vagueComment
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Finally your getting what we all understand, You far less than a casual fan, your clueless gumbyComment
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knowledgeable observers do not need a roadmap, or a menu
you could classify Canelo as a rookie middleweight in the first Golovkin fight, despite the fact that it was his first middleweight bout..... but he will be better at the weight for the rematch
no, wait..... you knew thatComment
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why are you spastics unable to answer a simple question ?
I mean, it should be no problem..... right ?
tell me why YOU think that Golovkin said this about 159lb Kell Brook immediately following their fight.....
" he is not a middleweight, He just isn't " ~ Golovkin
why do you guys always duck for cover whenever it gets a little difficult?Comment
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What about the unknowledgable observer? What about the kid who wants to learn boxing and wants to learn weight classes? What do you tell him? Do you just say, "It's common sense, you dumb casual"? And I was hoping to get something applicable to all fighters and weight classes. Something I could apply to Pac and Floyd to see when they became genuine members of the weight classes they moved through.Comment
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no, there really isn't
Floyd was undersized when he first moved to welter
it took him a few fights to adapt to the weight and fill out at 147
the correct explanation would be..... that after a couple of fights Floyd could be classified as a small (but genuine) welter..... he then filled into 147 as he aged, becoming a beast at the weight, but never as big as the larger welters
Pac was not a welter, and could only be referred to as such during the latter portion of his 147 career
no way is a guy who needs to eat 6 meals a day, including being woken at 3am/6am for bulking shakes..... just to come in at 143/144..... a genuine welterweight
he never worked to cut weight
Manny was punching above his weight at 147, just like Mayweather at 154.......... and Ariza admitted that they just could not keep any weight on Manny due to his metabolism..... Pac burned it off in those mega-sessions he used to do with Alex
he was a JWW who was punching above his weight, and the best he could muster was 143/144..... hence all of those 143/144 catchweights..... later filling out as he aged
for some time now it has been correct to refer to Manny as a small (but genuine) welter
and calling him a JMW because of the Margarito fight would be utterly ******ed and would take us right back to calling Canelo a SMW because of Chavez
it's just common-sense..... there is no hard-and-fast rule, because every fighter is different
you need to.....
1) throw your calculator away, and never pick it up again
2) be more flexible in your viewpoint..... realize that every fighter is different
3) another thing that would help folks out..... realize that it is impossible for every boxing match to be comprised of two fighters who are exactly identical in weight..... boxing has never worked that way, and never will.....
what I mean by that is..... FACT: in every division there are smaller fighters, and there are bigger fighters..... which is perfectly fine..... the bigger fighters are not "cheats", or any such nonsense
listen, I never said that what Canelo did at 155 (and 150) was acceptable..... it was fkn lame, no question..... and it was highly unprofessional in my book..... Canelo should have had more respect for his JMW opponents, who likely may not have benefited from that extra pound as much as he did
not the biggest crime, by a long shot..... but he should have played it straight..... but then going to the other end of the scale, and calling him a dirty cheating middleweight..... is fkn ******ed
look, I will not press you regarding my question about 159lb Brook, but there is a damn good reason why Golovkin said what he said.....Comment
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How am I supposed to take this info and explain to a newcomer anything about weight classes?
When did Floyd and Manny become genuine welterweight? What criteria are you using to make that determination? And Canelo, is he a middleweight yet? What criteria are you basing this assessment on?Comment
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you need to understand it yourself, first
why is any of that nonsense suddenly important to you ?
why ?
explain to your casual-fan friend that every fighter is different...... and when some move up, they can take awhile to settle in at the new weight..... there is no hard-and-fast rule, and nor should there be.....
a typical "rule" (which is silly, because every fighter is different) would be..... that a fighter needs a couple of bouts to truly settle in, and tailor his camp/routine to the new division (which can be significantly different)
it can be correct to refer to a fighter as "genuine" in his first fight at the weight, like I just did with Canelo (mainly because of the Chavez fight)..... with the caveat that he will obviously adjust to the new regime/weight in time, and get better
no idea why you need this to be explained more clearly, and no idea why you feel the need to explain this to casuals..... I am as old as Methuselah and cannot recall this ever being a vital/important subject..... oh, until this thread that is
maybe this is obvious to me because I am experienced..... but if you throw away your calculator and use some common-sense you will be fineComment
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