ZUFFA BOXING -- Coming To You In 2018

[Zaroku]

I've actually discussed with A few executive friends at Amazon the could probably be great promoters, and sell fights, & merchandise too!

[Boxnation fan]

Interesting comparison. Peter dropped Wlad, right?

Samuel Peter
6'2"
243 lbs (at his best)
77" Reach

Francis N'Gannou
6' 4"
262 lbs
83" Reach


Overeem gets a bad rap. He's not "chinny" so much as he has faced a murder's row of strikers (and comes from Kickboxing).


We never saw Conor commit to that big cross against the elusive Mayweather. Rogan said it, Kellerman said it, and I felt that way too.

Max Kellerman quote:

- "Conor McGregor, as most great fighters have, has an extremely high fighting-IQ. It's the reason he didn't really hit Mayweather with anything hard. He didn't load up on any punches...

Because Conor is smart enough to know, 'if I try to load-up on something, I'm not going to hit Floyd'... so he quick-punched him. He used his speed and hit him with arm-punches..."

Yeah Peter was one punch away in the 10th rd from putting Klitschko to sleep.

His best KO was against Jeremy Williams in the 2nd RD, very similar to KO of Overeem.

[New England]

Oh, they might get meals and that (they're also invited to use the new UFC Performance Institute in Las Vegas 'free of charge') but it's not like they get a monthly check when they're not fighting.

And wait, are you saying that Boxing promotions restrict Boxers from securing their own sponsorship (Ads on their trunks, etc)? Or is it that it's not common practice?

I dont' think Boxers sign away their name and likeness in perpetuity when they sign with a Boxing promotion, like fighters do when they sign with the UFC vampires.

i didn't say promotors in boxing always restrict what sponsors can be used. but they can and they do. i remember a beef about a fighter whose manager i knew, chad dawson, having an issue with "condom depot" in that regard . they also legistlated against those advertisements on fighter's backs.

what i did say is that boxing prmotors typically don't secure sponsorship money, which the UFC does. in the past theyt had a more diverse protram, not just an agreement with reebok.

they sign the name and likeness for a period, like say in a fight bought by HBO, forever. it's the property of HBO forever. that's nothing different or new.



i'm not saying UFC is perfect, but they have a middle class and quite a few guys who make "full time" fighting money. in boxing in the advent of premium TV you generally wait for the phone to call and have a day job, or you're a millionaire.

[Boxnation fan]

Yessssss. I've been rooting on some hybrid version of boxing/MMA for awhile.

And I've been a fan of boxing using lighter gloves for years on top of that. I think the padding inside of gloves actually INCREASES the danger boxers deal with in the ring. The brain is a giant *****. There isn't any halfway decent shot that isn't shaking around your brain in your head & thats bad & not gonna make your life any easier as you start to age. If you are fighting its better to get blacked the f#ck out in 3 rounds with one punch than getting your a$$ pounded for 8 rounds & hurt + dropped twice before getting KO'd while taking 4 to 5 times the punches.

ZUFFA BOXING means nothing.

MMA as a sport is nothing, its UFC thats sells as a brand so they need to call it:

UFC BOXING or UFC BOXING LEAGUE and have their guys fight for the UFC BOXING WORLD TITLE.

They don't even need to sign any boxers. Just get the best stand up Strikers in MMA and get them to fight in a Stand Up BOXING ONLY fights in the Octogon so No Kicking, Take Downs and add Ten Counts and a few other Boxing Rules but create a new format of Boxing that works for their MMA crowd.

Allow some STAND UP Grappling too which might allow them to keep the 4oz Gloves, which would be a HUGE selling point.

If they do the above i think they would successful

If all they offer is the exact same as boxing but with a few bells and whistles like extra lighting and stuff, they won't last long.

[USMCer]

RedZmaja, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth...

For a non-American fighting in the UFC is a massive problem for several reasons. Most of the cards take place in America which means that you have to suffer jet lag or train at like 3AM at night to prepare for the American time, you can't have your local sponsors (a lot of boxers from Europe earn a lot of money this way because they can promote themselves in their countries and become stars there), you can't fight in front of your home crowd which would actually be interested in you - American audience will probably never be particularly interested in you if you're European especially if you don't have good English...

I show you that the UFC actually holds lots of events outside of the U.S... (and not just in Europe, which you seem to be focused on)... see here:

UFC Events since June:

Events outside of the U.S.
UFC 212 PPV = Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Jun)
UFC Fight Night 110 = Auckland, New Zealand (Jun)
UFC Fight Night 111 = Kallang, Singapore (Jun)
UFC Fight Night 113 = Glasgow, Scotland (Jul)
UFC Fight Night 114 = D.F., Mexico (Aug)
UFC Fight Night 115 = Rotterdam, Netherlands (Sep)
UFC 215 PPV = Edmonton, Canada (Sep)
UFC Fight Night 117 = Saitama, Japan (Sep)
UFC Fight Night 118 = Gdansk, Poland (Oct)
UFC Fight Night 119 = Sao Paulo, Brazil (Oct)
UFC Fight Night 121 = Sydney, Australia (Nov)
UFC Fight Night 122 = Shanghai, China (Nov)
UFC on FOX 26 = Winnipeg, Canada (Dec)

Events in the U.S.
UFC Fight Night 112 = OKC, OK (Jun)
UFC TUF 25 Finale = Las Vegas, NV (Jul)
UFC 213 PPV = Las Vegas, NV (Jul)
UFC on FOX 25 = Long Island, NY (Jul)
UFC 214 PPV = Anaheim, CA (Jul)
UFC Fight Night 116 = Pittsburg, PA (Sep)
UFC 216 PPV = Las Vegas, NV (Oct)
UFC 217 PPV = NYC, NY (Nov)
UFC Fight Night 120 = Norfolk VA (Nov)
UFC TUF 26 Finale = Las Vegas, NV (Dec)
UFC 218 PPV = Detroit, MI (Dec)
UFC Fight Night 123 = Fresno, CA (Dec)
UFC 219 PPV = Las Vegas, NV (Dec)

You try to swerve...

Those events outside of the USA ******. Those cards were mostly garbage. Nobody wants to be on those cards. Do you think there is a fighter in Europe whose dream is to fight on an UFC fight night card in Gdansk, Poland? LOL everybody wants to be on big PPV cards because they're the only UFC cards that make money...

Well the fact is that fighters DO IN FACT get a chance to fight in front of their home-town crowds... and it's up to THOSE FIGHTERS to make the cards, quality cards!

Promoters can't make you a star; they give you the platform and it's up to YOU do the rest.

...Who is the last big UFC star who fought in Europe? Conor hasn't fought in Ireland for ages. They had a Bisping fight in Britain but they scheduled it for 6AM in the morning local time so that the Americans could watch it at 8PM.

I guess Overeem in Holland in may 2016 because that's his home country but the UFC will never bring a foreign big name star to a European country.

Alexander Gustafsson headlined UFC on FOX 14 (a big card) in his home country of Sweden and drew 30,000 in 2015.

Well, as he was coming up (2009-2011), the UFC had Alex fight on...
UFC 105 PPV in Europe
UFC 112 PPV in Dubai
UFC 120 PPV in Europe
UFC 127 PPV in Australia

Then fought in the U.S. to build him up further (2011)...
UFC 133 PPV in the U.S.
UFC 141 PPV in the U.S.

Finally ready to Main Event, they brought the UFC to Alex's Home-County (2012)...
UFC on Fuel TV 2 in Sweden

Back to the U.S. to Co-Main Event a big card...
UFC on FOX 5 in the U.S.

Finally ready for a Title Fight, he Main Evented a PPV Card in Canada (2013)...
UFC 165 PPV in Canada

From then on, Alex has been a Main Event star, on all kinds of cards, around the world (2014-present)...
UFC Fight Night 37 in Europe
UFC on FOX 14 in Sweden
UFC 192 PPV in the U.S.
UFC Fight Night 93 in Europe (Co-Main Event)
UFC Fight Night 109 in Sweden

[USMCer]

i didn't say promotors in boxing always restrict what sponsors can be used. but they can and they do. i remember a beef about a fighter whose manager i knew, chad dawson, having an issue with "condom depot" in that regard . they also legistlated against those advertisements on fighter's backs.

what i did say is that boxing prmotors typically don't secure sponsorship money, which the UFC does. in the past theyt had a more diverse protram, not just an agreement with reebok.

they sign the name and likeness for a period, like say in a fight bought by HBO, forever. it's the property of HBO forever. that's nothing different or new.

i'm not saying UFC is perfect, but they have a middle class and quite a few guys who make "full time" fighting money. in boxing in the advent of premium TV you generally wait for the phone to call and have a day job, or you're a millionaire.

Woah, woah, woah... to be clear, the UFC didn't secure sponsorship for the fighters. The fighters and their managers/agents would secure THEIR OWN sponsorship (and that is where in some cases fighters would get "stipends"; money for training/while not fighting).

The UFC ended up TAXING the fighters and their sponsors, creating a fee for any brand that wanted to sponsor a fighter's shorts or be on the fighter's banner. And that lasted for years, some sponsors were being bled dry, but that's all gone now.

Now it's just shtty-ass Rebox... where nobody benefits. The fighters are getting a fraction of what they used to get with THEIR OWN SPONSORS... the UFC doesn't even tax Rebox... and Rebox got tons of hate from MMA fans, no one is buying their "fighters kit" merchandise. I personally will never buy Rebox again.

Boxing has the Ali Act.
I presume that Boxers are protected from being bamboozled into signing away their name and likeness without compensation, and maybe even royalty rights (like in MMA with the UFC). But I'm not sure.

About MMA having a middle-class, etc, yeah I've made that point too myself. That is true. But/and FWIW, the current UFC HW Champ is also a Firefighter-EMT in Ohio.

[HanzGruber]

dana already saying he wont work with sho now, im gonna go with option A

[USMCer]

I say, not at all. People love to see blood and knockouts, if these mma guys fight anyone with an ounce or two of skill they are ****ed.

I was referring to the business side of things... "mma guys" meaning the UFC promotion getting into promoting Boxing.





In this particular case.

[RedZmaja]

I show you that the UFC actually holds lots of events outside of the U.S... (and not just in Europe, which you seem to be focused on)...

Well the fact is that fighters DO IN FACT get a chance to fight in front of their home-town crowds... and it's up to THOSE FIGHTERS to make the cards, quality cards!

There were exactly TWO cards in Europe, one in Holland and one in Poland. There are over 40 countries in Europe so how the hell do European fighters get a chance to fight in their own country? Even if you're Polish or Dutch the UFC has maybe 1 card every two years there or maybe 2.

All those Dubai cards and Asian cards don't mean ****. UFC is a garbage American company and a pseudo-sport.

[USMCer]

There were exactly TWO cards in Europe, one in Holland and one in Poland. There are over 40 countries in Europe so how the hell do European fighters get a chance to fight in their own country? Even if you're Polish or Dutch the UFC has maybe 1 card every two years there or maybe 2.

All those Dubai cards and Asian cards don't mean ****. UFC is a garbage American company and a pseudo-sport.

So what is Premiere Boxing Champions?
What is TopRank?

How many of their Events are held outside of the U.S. let alone in Europe?

As far as I can tell, in all of 2017, PBC held only one Event in Europe, and a total of two outside of the U.S. (the other one being in Canada). http://www.premierboxingchampions.co...-boxing-fights


TopRank scheduled Pacquiao vs Horn to air live in prime time in the U.S. I think I was around lunch time in Australia, what time was it in Europe?