Comments Thread For : Who will rule heavywieght division in 2018 and why ?

[MaksBox]

Ortiz and Povetkin are both too old now.
Parker is at around the same level as Hughie. Okay, but nothing special.
Fury has been away from the ring for too long.
Wilder got no skills.

Joshua will obviously rule the division for a long, long time.

Don't write off Povetkin or Ortiz.

In two fights,.... Ortiz vs Wilder and Povetkin vs Joshua or Parker.... you have two top dogs.

Both can cash out at that point and retire champs.

Wilder is completely untested.
AJ has skills but obviously no chin, being down against an "older" Wlad.
Parker is also untested.
Fury? Let's see if he can stay away from the crack pipe, hookers and booze.

[Mr Objecitivity]

You kidding right?

No, I am not!

[Mr Objecitivity]

sorry to say but looks like Alexandr Povetkin is past and too small fo AJ, Deontay or Fury, but I would like to see Parker vs Povetkin and it's for me 50/50 fight.

Alexander Povetkin may now be past his best. However, he certainly isn't smaller than Deontay Wilder. Deontay Wilder is smaller than all of those mentioned boxers. Although Povetkin is the shortest. However, height and size (weight) aren't the same thing. Weight is a more significant factor in boxing than height or reach. Hence, there exists weight divisions and not height / reach divisions.

Height and reach do matter. However, they are dependent on a boxer's skill at being able to use those assets and Deontay Wilder certainly hasn't proven that he is more skilled at using his longer reach and taller body, compared to Povetkin's skill at using his shorter reach and shorter body. Povetkin would by far be Wilder's best opponent / toughest opponent up to date. Povetkin has defeated all his taller opponents (except Wladimir Klitschko) and Deontay Wilder has so far defeated all of his shorter opponents.

Tyson Fury is currently irrelevant so there isn't much point in discussing about him.

As for Anthony Joshua. I believe it's a 50/50 toss up between him and Alexander Povetkin in a boxing bout if it took place early next year.

Alexander Povetkin may be past his absolute best. However, he still looks good enough to beat any heavyweight today. Perhaps by the end of next year I might say that Povetkin would no longer remain an elite boxer any longer.

[club fighter]

Hearn, GBP, and the rest of the leeches.
Because they have too much control.

[raione]

Alexander Povetkin may now be past his best. However, he certainly isn't smaller than Deontay Wilder. Deontay Wilder is smaller than all of those mentioned boxers. Although Povetkin is the shortest. However, height and size (weight) aren't the same thing. Weight is a more significant factor in boxing than height or reach. Hence, there exists weight divisions and not height / reach divisions.

Height and reach do matter. However, they are dependent on a boxer's skill at being able to use those assets and Deontay Wilder certainly hasn't proven that he is more skilled at using his longer reach and taller body, compared to Povetkin's skill at using his shorter reach and shorter body. Povetkin would by far be Wilder's best opponent / toughest opponent up to date. Povetkin has defeated all his taller opponents (except Wladimir Klitschko) and Deontay Wilder has so far defeated all of his shorter opponents.

Tyson Fury is currently irrelevant so there isn't much point in discussing about him.

As for Anthony Joshua. I believe it's a 50/50 toss up between him and Alexander Povetkin in a boxing bout if it took place early next year.

Alexander Povetkin may be past his absolute best. However, he still looks good enough to beat any heavyweight today. Perhaps by the end of next year I might say that Povetkin would no longer remain an elite boxer any longer.

Povetkin is able to beat Parker or Ortiz, but against them three giants I would give 25 % chance only.

[raione]

Don't write off Povetkin or Ortiz.

In two fights,.... Ortiz vs Wilder and Povetkin vs Joshua or Parker.... you have two top dogs.

Both can cash out at that point and retire champs.

Wilder is completely untested.
AJ has skills but obviously no chin, being down against an "older" Wlad.
Parker is also untested.
Fury? Let's see if he can stay away from the crack pipe, hookers and booze.

Povetkin showed nothing against Klischko, he was simply too small ... a few days ago he couldn't knock out mediocre Hammer.

[MaksBox]

Povetkin showed nothing against Klischko, he was simply too small ... a few days ago he couldn't knock out mediocre Hammer.

Povetkin was also one of a few to actually go 12 rounds with Wlad. Keep in mind, Povetkin post Wlad/Huck is a completely different fighter with no issues going 12 rounds.

Yes, he is smaller, but AJ had issues with smaller folks. We will also have to see how big AJ would get.

Still, skill wise and with a PROPER training camp against a top dog, Povetkin would beat either AJ or Wilder.

Where I am questionable is Povetkin vs Fury... Fury has both size and skill.

[Joe Beamish]

"Ruling the division" suggests fighting more often than once every two years. (What era are you living in?)

[Ulver]

Loads of powerful giants from Germany and Eastern Europe are on the way. Until one of them breaks through, the current crop of bums will fumble around with the titles.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Povetkin is able to beat Parker or Ortiz, but against them three giants I would give 25 % chance only.

Fair enough, but I obviously disagree.

Deontay Wilder is the worst of the bunch. He was getting out-boxed and losing rounds to a much inferior boxer in Artur Szpilka, who is also smaller in size and shorter than Alexander Povetkin. Not to mention, Wilder has already been knocked out by Evgeny Romanov, a Russian boxer who is also shorter and smaller in size than Povetkin. On the other hand, Alexander Povetkin has never been stopped in his amateur or pro career and only Wladimir Klitschko managed to ever drop him. So to give Povetkin only a 25% chance against Wilder is extremely premature when Wilder has never beaten anybody on the level of Povetkin.

Anthony Joshua had a difficult time against Carlos Takam and he also lost in the amateurs by stoppage against Nistor. Both who are of a similar height and size to Alexander Povetkin but are inferior in boxing abilities. What makes you think Povetkin couldn't do even better than them? If he can do better, then he is going to have a chance higher than 25% to win against Joshua.

Tyson Fury is now almost irrelevant. He isn't beating Povetkin at his current condition with his lay off and even if he was well conditioned, Fury went life and death against both Nevan Pjakic and Steve Cunningham. He was also dropped by both. He also arguably lost against John McDermott in his first bout.

All three boxers that Tyson Fury struggled against in Steve Cunningham, Nevan Pjakic and John McDermott are roughly the same size and height compared to Alexander Povetkin. Difference is, Povetkin is a MUCH better boxer than all three of them.

We really don't know how good Tyson Fury is at his best or if he even reached his peak yet. Tyson Fury's win over Wladimir Klitschko was his best win but we don't know how much of it was due to Wlad declining / not preparing properly for the bout and how much of it was down to Fury's own abilities. Since Fury never defended his title against any boxer after his win. He didn't even follow through with his rematch against Wladimir Klitschko by blatantly ducking him.

Alexander Povetkin can definitely beat all three. Wilder is going to be the easiest challenge. It's a 50/50 match up against Joshua and Fury right now is irrelevant.

Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury being tall with a long reach doesn't mean a very skilled short boxer like Alexander Povetkin couldn't beat them. Boxing isn't about height and reach. It's about weight and skills.