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  • Debunking myth about any 'UNFAIR' cheating by Lomachenko or Rigondeaux in their bout

    The correct thing is for there to be an even playing field in a boxing bout. That is, the same rules / standards should apply to both boxers during a boxing bout. Either both should be obligated to follow all the rules of boxing. Or both should be allowed to break the rules of boxing.

    if one boxer (Guillermo Rigondeaux) breaks the rules (ducking below the waist and excessively holding) and then Vasyl Lomachenko responds by also breaking the rules (punching in the back of the head). Then it is acceptable! Why? Simply because there would then exist an even playing field for both boxers. If Guillermo Rigondeaux was allowed to break a rule, such as bending below the waist whilst Vasyl Lomachenko was prevented from breaking any rules, such as punching in the back of the head and vice versa. Only then would it be unacceptable!

    If any boxer is guilty, then it is the one who is initially breaking the rules. Which was clearly Rigondeaux. If Lomachenko responds by breaking a rule himself, then the playing field becomes even and therefore, nobody has to be blamed. Cheating or not cheating, the playing field has to be evened out for a bout to be acceptable and fair.

    Also, the referee doesn't invent and create the rules of boxing. That is not the job of the referee. The referee's job is to enforce the rules that have already been established. If the referee fails to enforce an established rule (such as when a boxer is bending below the waist), then the referee is at fault. Just because a referee doesn't call out a foul / an illegal move, doesn't mean that foul somehow becomes legal. Just because a referee allows a boxer to foul / use illegal moves, doesn't mean that illegal move or foul becomes legal. It means the referee is at fault!

    In most cases, Rigondeaux was bending below the waist where he was illegally eliminating any legal target area of his body to punch at. Thus, if he gets punched in an illegal part of his body because he is only showing illegal parts of his body by totally eliminating any legal area, then it is his fault. If a punch from Vasyl Lomachenko was about to land in the front part of the face of Guillermo Rigondeaux but Rigondeaux ducks below the waist and gets hit in the back of the head instead, then it is Rigondeaux's fault. If Lomachenko throws a punch at the front of Rigondeaux's body but Rigondeaux turns away and only exposes his back and if the punch ends up landing on the back of Rigondeaux, then it is Rigondeaux's fault.

    From what I've watched, the only times Lomachenko was throwing punches at the back of Rigondeaux's head was after Rigondeaux was exposing his own back. That is Rigondeaux's fault and if the referee won't do anything to stop Rigondeaux from doing this, then Lomachenko has every right to throw punches at whatever Rigondeaux is giving him.

    We can't ignore the fact that Rigondeaux was clinching / holding excessively. He was also trying to hold and hit on occasions. Along with an elbow attempt too. Lomachenko was responding to most of them with fouls of his own. Thus, I'm not complaining about fouling from either guy because both were fouling. However, Rigondeaux was initiating the fouls and Lomachenko was responding to the fouls initiated by Rigondeaux. In the end, what matters was the fact that it was an evened out playing field. Thus, whatever happened was appropriate and right.

  • #2
    Rigo started all these s**t hugging, ducking bellow the waist, punching while holding etc.

    Loma responded lately.

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    • #3
      This is the old 2 wrongs make a right rule.

      Ok Mr. Objecitivity!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by harwri008 View Post
        This is the old 2 wrongs make a right rule.

        Ok Mr. Objecitivity!
        You justify Rigo completely ruining what was supposed to be one of the biggest fights of the year then ? The referee should have disqualified him yet clearly that’s what he wanted, dude didn’t wanna be in that ring. This fight somewhat reminded me of Scott versus Ortiz, where the referee actually demanded Scott get back up because he knew he wasn’t hurt, drags him up by his arm, the referee was the only guy keeping Rigo in the fight by not disqualifying him.

        The referee did a fine job.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by harwri008 View Post
          This is the old 2 wrongs make a right rule.

          Ok Mr. Objecitivity!
          An even playing field is what makes a contest 'RIGHT'!

          One boxer cheating and being allowed to cheat, whilst the boxer not cheating and not being allowed to cheat = an uneven playing field = wrong / unfair.

          Both boxers not cheating and not being allowed to cheat = an even playing field = right / fair.

          Both boxers cheating and being allowed to cheat = an even playing field = right / fair.

          A simple question: If one boxer cheats / fouls / uses illegal moves. Why should the opponent of that boxer put himself in an even playing field by also not responding with fouls / illegal moves of his own? Can you answer this? If one boxer initiates a foul and the referee doesn't enforce the rules properly. At this point, why should that boxer's opponent purposefully put himself in a position where the match is at an uneven playing field against himself by also not cheating / committing fouls in response?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ScottWeiland View Post
            You justify Rigo completely ruining what was supposed to be one of the biggest fights of the year then ? The referee should have disqualified him yet clearly that’s what he wanted, dude didn’t wanna be in that ring. This fight somewhat reminded me of Scott versus Ortiz, where the referee actually demanded Scott get back up because he knew he wasn’t hurt, drags him up by his arm, the referee was the only guy keeping Rigo in the fight by not disqualifying him.

            The referee did a fine job.
            I'm not justifying anything. I believe Rigondeaux should've been warned, which he was and so should Lomachenko, which he wasn't. I didn't think Rigondeaux did anything to warrant a disqualification. The ref should have taken a point, which I believe he did. Lomachenko hit him clearly after the bell, right infront of the ref, and he said nothing.

            The fight was a stinker. Rigondeaux should get most of the blame but we've seen him stink up a fight before. I think we all had too high of an expectation for this fight and the results speak for themselves.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity View Post
              An even playing field is what makes a contest 'RIGHT'!

              One boxer cheating and being allowed to cheat, whilst the boxer not cheating and not being allowed to cheat = an uneven playing field = wrong / unfair.

              Both boxers not cheating and not being allowed to cheat = an even playing field = right / fair.

              Both boxers cheating and being allowed to cheat = an even playing field = right / fair.

              A simple question: If one boxer cheats / fouls / uses illegal moves. Why should the opponent of that boxer put himself in an even playing field by also not responding with fouls / illegal moves of his own? Can you answer this? If one boxer initiates a foul and the referee doesn't enforce the rules properly. At this point, why should that boxer's opponent purposefully put himself in a position where the match is at an uneven playing field against himself by also not cheating / committing fouls in response?
              The referee simply has to do his/her job. Call a foul a foul if it is. There would be no need for retaliation if the fight is called fairly. What you're advocating is a free for all. I get what you're saying and it might make logical sense but it should never be incorporated into the "rules" of boxing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by harwri008 View Post
                The referee simply has to do his/her job. Call a foul a foul if it is. There would be no need for retaliation if the fight is called fairly. What you're advocating is a free for all. I get what you're saying and it might make logical sense but it should never be incorporated into the "rules" of boxing.
                Which wasn't the case because Rigondeaux was constantly ducking below the waist and the referee didn't do enough of what was required to prevent Rigondeaux from constantly committing this particular foul. Thus, Lomachenko is not at fault when he was punching Rigondeaux at the back of his head. Likewise, Rigondeaux was constantly holding which prompted Lomachenko to respond with some fouls of his own.

                I have very specific standards for what is right and wrong. For me, it doesn't matter whether a boxer is allowed to foul or not. So as long as the same rules are applied to both boxers evenly. If both boxers are allowed to commit fouls evenly, then it is totally correct and fair for me. Likewise, if both boxers are disallowed from committing fouls, then that's also perfectly fair and correct for me. It's only when one boxer is held to different rules and standards compared to his opponent is when the bout becomes 'unfair' and 'incorrect'.

                There was nothing wrong or unfair in this bout, as far as I'm concerned. Rigondeaux initiated certain fouls and got away with them. In response, Lomachenko committed fouls of his own and also got away with them. That's all there is to it! Either side complaining about anything 'incorrect' or 'unfair' for either boxer simply don't have any grounds to stand on.

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                • #9
                  When you duck below the waist, that's how these fights go. Nothing wrong on either side. Rigo just got owned.

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                  • #10
                    Are we going to pretend that bending over is the same as punching to the back of the head. Which is the more serious and does more damage?

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