Delineation of Greatness: Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux

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  • escudo
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    Delineation of Greatness: Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux

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    My technical breakdown of how Lomachenko shut down one of the finest counter punchers in the sport.
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    Originally posted by escudo
    https://imgur.com/gallery/7AIOT

    My technical breakdown of how Lomachenko shut down one of the finest counter punchers in the sport.
    Viewed through it all. I'm going to have to state that it was worth my time and was a brilliant breakdown of what happened. I thoroughly enjoyed the skills in display and the breakdown of those skills. So brilliant presentation again!

    By the way, are you by any chance Wilson Kayden? It seems like many of the points are influenced by him.

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    • g27region
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      #3
      Originally posted by escudo
      https://imgur.com/gallery/7AIOT

      My technical breakdown of how Lomachenko shut down one of the finest counter punchers in the sport.
      Great analysis as always

      The funny thing is that Lomachenko warned everybody about the outcome and warned Rigondeaux to stay away from him, he said he doesn't want the fight because he'll get no credit, he said he's going to "sweep Rigo out of the ring" and "run him over like a tank" and Rigo's legacy will be ended after that, he said Rigo might quit and that the fight won't be some kind of chess match that boxing fans were expecting, He was right about everything and he warned Rigondeaux not to do that

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      • escudo
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        Originally posted by Mr Subjectivity
        Viewed through it all. I'm going to have to state that it was worth my time and was a brilliant breakdown of what happened. I thoroughly enjoyed the skills in display and the breakdown of those skills. So brilliant presentation again!

        By the way, are you by any chance Wilson Kayden? It seems like many of the points are influenced by him.
        No I am not but I miss his channel. I used to watch it before going to bed. His voice was so soothing. No I've just watched a ton of Rigo, he does almost the same thing every fight.

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          #5
          Originally posted by escudo
          No I am not but I miss his channel. I used to watch it before going to bed. His voice was so soothing. No I've just watched a ton of Rigo, he does almost the same thing every fight.
          If he does almost the same thing every fight could you tell me why he didn't use any lateral movement, any pivots/turns to his right, any feints, punch with conviction, step back jab, throw the left uppercut, throw the right uppercut, pivot check hook in THAT FIGHT?

          I mean these are things that Rigo does in every fight, every sparring and every mitt work session, and yet he exhibited none of these skills.

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            Originally posted by pesticid
            If he does almost the same thing every fight could you tell me why he didn't use any lateral movement, any pivots/turns to his right, any feints, punch with conviction, step back jab, throw the left uppercut, throw the right uppercut, pivot check hook in THAT FIGHT?
            I think the opportunities wasn't there

            Rigo has a low output, and he prefers to throw single shots and it's hard to time somebody as dynamic as Lomachenko with single shots, he's not a static target like Donaire, especially if that target gets closer to you when you prefer to work on the outside. Rigo had perfect timing but Loma was too fast to give opportunities for Rigo to throw these punches and made Rigo turn into defense mode with his high workrate which neutralized Rigo's offense too. Not to mention that gaining weight and age had effect on Rigo's timing, speed and stamina

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              Everyone with a brain didn't think Rigo was gonna outbox Loma while throwing 2-3 punches per round...

              As I predicted before the fight Loma won rounds.

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                Originally posted by g27region
                I think the opportunities wasn't there

                Rigo has a low output, and he prefers to throw single shots and it's hard to time somebody as dynamic as Lomachenko with single shots, he's not a static target like Donaire, especially if that target gets closer to you when you prefer to work on the outside. Rigo had perfect timing but Loma was too fast to give opportunities for Rigo to throw these punches and made Rigo turn into defense mode with his high workrate which neutralized Rigo's offense too. Not to mention that gaining weight and age had effect on Rigo's timing, speed and stamina

                The problem with that theory is that Rigondeaux didn't need to punch to show the boxing skills that he has shown in every single fight, sparring and every mitt work round.

                For instance in his last fight against Flores, when Flores was circling to the left Rigo was moving to his own left in order not to have his center line exposed. Against Loma, who was also moving to his left against Rigondeaux, Rigo did the complete opposite, he was turning on the spot exposing his center line. This is basic boxing that Rigondeaux has done in all of his fights. Rigo could also have used lateral steps to cut Loma's movement the way he's done before, yet he followed him around, again, this is basic boxing that Rigo's been doing since age 14.

                In the Flores fight alone which lasted 1 round only, Rigo did 4 pivots to his right and 1 to his left. Against Loma, he did 0 pivots to right and 1 pivot to his left in 6 rounds. Again, these are signature moves that Rigo does in all of his fights, sparring and mitt work sessions.

                If you're noticing we're still not talking about punches thrown.

                Further on, another Rigondeaux trade mark is a jump step back or a lateral back step, from which he could either work angles, jab or throw the back hand in a variety of ways. He didn't do any of that. Him leaning to his left and ducking low is really something that he does very rarely yet that was all he did.

                We're still not talking about punching.

                But he did throw maybe a couple of lead right hooks and Loma was constantly moving to his left. That's another thing Rigo does when being circled to the left, throw his lead right hook.

                It's like he didn't show any of his skills. He didn't do anything. Loma outclassed him because of it and it's not like Loma did much. Loma landed maybe 10 jabs, 2 uppercuts and like 4 left hands including the one after the bell.
                Last edited by pesticid; 12-12-2017, 09:14 AM.

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