Can anyone explain Errol Spence's layoff?

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  • Randall Cunning
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    #51
    Originally posted by Afi23
    It might be true but IF Spence rate is already at 3.5 mil, I see why a Thurman unification needs some "marinating". It is safe to say that Spence won't take a paycut and Thurman, who brings 2 belts won't fight for less than Spence, so it is a 7mil fight at the minimum. I think it is safe to say that this would be a PPV fight to make the money work (not saying the fight is truly a PPV fight at this point).
    If Showtime doesn't want to make a PPV at a loss, the fight needs to be build up so we might indeed be looking at Spence vs Thurman in 2019.
    Once again, my analysis is based on Spence's 3,5 mil (which seems a bit high to me at this point of Spence's career).
    Im not so sure if the whole things his purse. When the 3.5mil was being reported it sound like he was getting a sort of loyalty bonus added into his purse. Was around the same time as he turned down the Cotto fight. Doubt itll be his normal purse moving forward.

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    • Afi23
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      #52
      Originally posted by Ray*
      This is the part were a lot of poster dont seem to get, yes we all aren't getting paid from their purses, but understanding how the economics works helps when accusing boxers of "ducking".

      Who would blame Thurman or spence if they turn around mid-2018 and say we want more than 4 million dollars?

      Which means that fight would need some marinating like you pointed out.
      Once again, IF the 3,5 is true, the only way this fight happens in 2018 and not on PPV is if CBS (who owns Showtime) puts a lot of money on the table, broadcasts the fight in a prime slot of the calendar year with an absurd amount of promotion.
      We've seen CBS be part of a "4million" fight (Thurman vs Garcia), would it "stretch" itself to "7 million-ish" for a 3 belt unification fight?

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        #53
        Originally posted by Ray*
        I just like posters that tells it like it is, you are one of those posters, if it applies to GGG then it can apply to spence. Am a big spence fan but i definitely agree with you.
        I disagree with the comparison, mainly because Spence has been a pro for less time than GGG has been a champion, 5 & 7 years respectively! Spence got his title 6.5 months ago against a top 3 welterweight. He has gotten a big fight before and will get more, in time.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Oluminati
          I disagree with the comparison, mainly because Spence has been a pro for less time than GGG has been a champion, 5 & 7 years respectively! Spence got his title 6.5 months ago against a top 3 welterweight. He has gotten a big fight before and will get more, in time.
          If everyone is ducking you and there is no one to fight then move up, same thing no excuses.

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          • Oluminati
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            #55
            Originally posted by Ray*
            If everyone is ducking you and there is no one to fight then move up, same thing no excuses.
            Patience. Ducking usually doesn't last forever. He got Lamont to fight when Lamont previously ducked the title eliminator. Just because the #1 doesn't fight the #2 doesn't mean it is not a good and noteworthy fight.

            And what does moving up in weight guarantee?

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              #56
              Originally posted by Oluminati

              And what does moving up in weight guarantee?
              Activity.....................

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                #57
                Originally posted by Ray*
                Activity.....................
                Barring injury I'm sure he'll fight 3 fights this year at 147

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by j.razor
                  It's what you are doing, trying to put a cast over the good in boxing with Haymon or PBC.

                  He fought he won, fighters don't want to get in the ring with him (LP had to dropped his title to fight Errol which says a lot about a true champ like LP) but if he was the bank then they would want to fight Errol....& he has a fight coming up next month so why would you really ask & not just wait for the event?

                  Why didn't you ask about Jessie Vargas when he was with bob? Why didn't you ask when Tim Bradley was with bob before he ended up retiring??
                  What does bringing up Vargas and Bradley have to do with this thread? You're assuming I didn't take issue with it, which I most certainly did. I'm no fan of Arum. I'm not picking sides. I go to my original point. I don't think Spence being on the shelf that long is ok. Perhaps the reasons were valid. I wanted to know, which is why I made this thread. Believe what you want.

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                  • KingTito
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by THEFRESHBRAWLER
                    Same reason all the other top fighters only fought once or twice. We know y’all only care about fighters associated with Haymon tho. Same thing with the drug testing.Y’all don’t care about it unless it involves someone associated with Haymon
                    You're trying to make this a larger issue, and it isn't necessary. I'm a huge fan of Spence. He's one of my favorites. But that was a very untimely layoff. Bottom line.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Afi23
                      Thank you! Any inside info on the 3.5 mil?
                      No. We've seen those rumors like everybody else, but don't have any insight into the purse.

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