Is Loma's power underrated? The Forgotten Walters interview."I barely made it thru.."

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  • Boxing Logic
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    Is Loma's power underrated? The Forgotten Walters interview."I barely made it thru.."

    Somehow this Nicholas Walters interview slipped through the cracks. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsFQmCELTPQ. Probably because SecondsOut made the mistake of not even labeling it an interview. But everyone said Walters just plain quit out of frustration, that he was mentally flustered. It's the same thing they said about Golata. But I have always believed the mental side of these things can be overrated. Commentators like to talk about it because they are always trying to dramatize everything, make it into a story. One guy just being stronger or faster or more skilled isn't interesting enough, so they like to add multiple other storylines. Sometimes they are legitimate, if there are emotions involved from rivalries outside of the ring, but I think specifically in terms of why boxers either give up or start fouling like Golata, it usually has a lot more to do with fatigue and being hurt.

    If you feel like your legs are about to give out and you can barely stand or breath, and there is another man trying to punch you, that's a much more pressing reason to quit than "he's hard to hit, this is frustrating for me. Darn."

    When Walters 'No mas'd vs Lomachenko, I said at the time, he must have just been a lot more hurt from all the clean shots to both his head and body than he let on. Then only a week ago, this old interview from after the fight showed up. Here is what he said:

    (In response to Interviewer saying it's a difficult situation for a boxer's reputation with fans when he stops the fight without being knocked out or hurt) "I wouldn't say that I wasn't hurt. (How were you hurt?) Yeah! You wasn't watching the fight? You was sleeping? You was watching the fight? Didn't you see the last round? How you see the last round? (I mean I felt he dominated every round, but...) Every round. (...was there an injury that you suffered, or did you feel like you couldn't continue because you weren't able?) Listen man, he was catching me clearly in the last round. I barely made it through the last round. Did you see that? I barely made it through the last round. It would be crazy for my corner to send me out after I barely made it to him [inaudible]. (What were the difficulties that you having at that point?) I was out of range, I wasn't finding my range, and every round he was getting better and better each round, and then in the 7th round, he caught me with good body shots, he caught me with good head shots, everything..."

    Do you think this means Lomachenko has more power at 130 than people realize? My opinion is part of it is that his power is overrated, but another part is that Nicholas Walters skills are overrated, and his big win against Donaire was against a past prime fighter. But I also believe that Donaire was also mostly past his prime when Rigo fought him, too. So it will be very interesting to see what happens December 9th.
    Last edited by Boxing Logic; 11-29-2017, 05:27 AM.
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    Better quote,“... I think he just stood there too much, which made it really easy for me,” -Lomachenko

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    • Boxing Logic
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      Originally posted by Redd Foxx
      Better quote,“... I think he just stood there too much, which made it really easy for me,” -Lomachenko
      As I said, Walters is overrated IMO. But you still have to watch out for his power, and his reach and decent speed, which is why it was still a cagey fight. If it had been Pacquiao-Cotto, everyone would have understood why Cotto was hurt. Even if Pacquiao hadn't been a power puncher, people would have understood, because so many combinations were landed. The point here, that you missed, is that Walters was badly hurt in the fight despite not getting hit with hundreds of punches. He got hit with a handful of nice clean ones per round, but that's it.

      So it begs the question of whether Lomachenko has more power than most realize, or if Walters is chinnier or softer to the body than people realized. Walters hasn't fought since, so who knows the answer to the last question, but two more fighters have No Mas'd vs Lomachenko since Walters, also without getting badly knocked down. I think this interview, once again, sheds light on the fact that they were also likely very hurt by Lomachenko's punches, even though they hadn't knocked down badly. It's possible Lomachenko either has lots of wear people down power, but not one punch KO power, or it's possible that Lomachenko has more power to the body than the head, which would explain why the head shots aren't KOing guys in one punch but the body shots are debilitating guys completely by the later rounds. And that would also fit the eye test because Lomachenko has always looked like a better body puncher than head puncher.

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      • g27region
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        Originally posted by Redd Foxx
        Better quote,“... I think he just stood there too much, which made it really easy for me,” -Lomachenko
        I'm not 100% sure, but if my memory serves that phrase was mistranslated.

        Because I remember I hated the way Lomachenko was translated after that fight since I'm able to understand both languages, it made him sound way more disrespectful to Walters than he really was

        Originally posted by Boxing Logic
        it's possible that Lomachenko has more power to the body than the head, which would explain why the head shots aren't KOing guys in one punch but the body shots are debilitating guys completely by the later rounds.
        His own father said Lomachenko has more power to the body, so it might be true

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        • Tom Cruise
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          He is clearly a very crisp puncher. Not especially powerful or heavy handed. But if you punch with that speed, technique, accuracy and intelligence, ****s gonna hurt.

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          • minemax
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            #6
            Originally posted by Boxing Logic
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            Do you think this means Lomachenko has more power at 130 than people realize?

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            • Shape up
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              #7
              The punches that hurt the most are the punches you don't see coming, lomachenko is a master at that

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              • Robbie Barrett
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                If Walters was competitive and landing his own shots would he have retired in the corner? I don't believe so. I think it was him wanting to stop the embarrassment more than anything.

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                • boliodogs
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                  I don't underrate Loma's power. He is a good puncher and usually wins by KO. His great overall boxing skills and fast hands overshadow his punching power.

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                  • FrankieClutch
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                    #10
                    Are there people saying he can't punch?

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