Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas Explains Why He Favors Lomachenko Over Rigondeaux

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  • GhostofDempsey
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    #21
    I like Teddy's chess analysis. I see Loma as the aggressor here, making the fight happen, pushing the action. Rigo will be content to sit back and try and counter while using lateral movement all night.

    While I do agree that Rigo's age and inactivity are a factor, he is a fresh 37, hasn't been in any wars and only has 18 fights to his record. So he isn't battle fatigued and has never been KO'd.

    Rigo had his chance to fight Loma a few years ago at 126, but didn't want it. So no excuses now. If you Floyd/Rigo fans are going to credit Floyd for a "great win" over Marquez coming up two weight classes and giving up three inches in height, you better give Loma credit for fighting Rigo coming up two weight classes.

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    • chrisJS
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      #22
      Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
      I like Teddy's chess analysis. I see Loma as the aggressor here, making the fight happen, pushing the action. Rigo will be content to sit back and try and counter while using lateral movement all night.

      While I do agree that Rigo's age and inactivity are a factor, he is a fresh 37, hasn't been in any wars and only has 18 fights to his record. So he isn't battle fatigued and has never been KO'd.

      Rigo had his chance to fight Loma a few years ago at 126, but didn't want it. So no excuses now. If you Floyd/Rigo fans are going to credit Floyd for a "great win" over Marquez coming up two weight classes and giving up three inches in height, you better give Loma credit for fighting Rigo coming up two weight classes.
      Hard to speak logic to most of them. Larry tried to tell me that 5 yrs 5 mo's is a longer time than 7 years and 1 month yesterday, that 16 months is less rust than 6 months, that Margarito is better than Morales, that Cotto is better than Pacquaio, that 38 is younger than 33 just to make Mayweather-Mosley look like an amazing win over a prime ATG.

      He also referenced The Ring's mythical pound for pound rankings as a reason why Mosley was great (ranked #3 even though it broke their ranking rules his inactivity) but doesn't acknowledge the Ring's pound for pound for GGG's ranking.

      They are a weird bunch and will always give over the top praise one way and create lies and crackpot theories like the above and absolutely give zero credit when wrong. I'm still laughing at Walters will kill Lomachenko who is too scared to even accept the fight and now Walters is a bum who can't fight.
      Last edited by chrisJS; 11-17-2017, 11:52 AM.

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      • otrocubiche
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        #23
        well, now that teddy put the jinx on loma, it'd be good to put a couple of bucks on rigo
        unless rigo ko's loma on the first 2-4 rounds, it'll be a looooong booooooring fight, loma output will go down a lot after being countered and will probably win a decision that 50% of fans won't agree with

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          #24
          Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
          I like Teddy's chess analysis. I see Loma as the aggressor here, making the fight happen, pushing the action. Rigo will be content to sit back and try and counter while using lateral movement all night.

          While I do agree that Rigo's age and inactivity are a factor, he is a fresh 37, hasn't been in any wars and only has 18 fights to his record. So he isn't battle fatigued and has never been KO'd.

          Rigo had his chance to fight Loma a few years ago at 126, but didn't want it. So no excuses now. If you Floyd/Rigo fans are going to credit Floyd for a "great win" over Marquez coming up two weight classes and giving up three inches in height, you better give Loma credit for fighting Rigo coming up two weight classes.
          I think one issue with the analogy to Marquez is the fact that no one ever mentions Mayweather's win against Marquez (b/c it wasn't anything that is worth talking about) but people who complain about the two lbs. Iy wasnt a signitature Mayweather win, it was a getting the "rust off" fight for him. Floyd was the fighter who wasn't sharp.

          Rigo is in an uphill battle no matter how any of us try to spin it. Two weight classes and rust matter here. Especially when he's losing in the hand speed department (some people disagree with me but idk why lol). He might be able to nullify the issues, but I seriously doubt that. He's not fighting Nonito Donaire this time.

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            #25
            Originally posted by IraqiSword
            The only reason Lomachenko will win is because he is a true Soviet Warrior, but Rigondeux is also a B'aath (communist) friend, very hard to pick who to root for
            Ba'athists are extremely anti-communist. The founders of ba'athism defined it as the "national spirit against communism" (roughly translated).
            Last edited by ////; 11-17-2017, 12:49 PM.

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            • megas30
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              #26
              Everyone is talking, but this fight really boils down to whom can't impose his style on the other guy. If Loma can get Rigo out of his game to fight a high octane fight then he wins; on the other hand, if Rigo is able to fight at his pace, then he neutralizes Loma, and is able to pull off the win.

              The thing is, i have never seen anyone gets Rigo out of his game, but if anyone can do that it is a guy like Loma. People underrate a prime Donaire, who Rigo took to school. I kinda see this fight playing out the same way. I see Loma coming to wear Rigo out, but becoming hesitant overtime after eating some sharp counters.

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              • Marvlus Marv
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                #27
                Rigo is going to old man this boy. Probably start putting the shoe-shine on Loma by the 5th or 6th.

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                • Motofan
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                  #28
                  Atlas picked Loma? Well ****, I guess my money is on Rigo by utter destruction now. The Atlas curse is real.

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                  • KingTito
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                    #29
                    Atlas said if the fight happened 5 years ago, he’d favor Rigo. Well so would I. Rigo was a champion, and Loma wasn’t even a damn professional.

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                    • Citizen Koba
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by ////
                      Ba'athists are extremely anti-communist. The founders of ba'athism defined it as the "national spirit against communism" (roughly translated).
                      Nah. Ba'athism - in common with most nationalistic movements that were selling a popular alternative to imperial rule - is primarily Socialistic (at least in it's rhetoric) and anti-imperialist, originally espousing the idea Arab unity and regional dominance - regardless of whether that 'imperial' threat was Western Capitalism or Soviet faux 'communism'. Not quite sure where you got that definition from.

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