Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua Eats Me? Did You See How Easy I Put Down 255!

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Wilder has been champion longer than AJ.

And it isn't Deontay's fault the WBA decided to gift the winner of Joshua/Klitschko a belt neither of them deserved to be fighting for.

And before you talk about how Britain is the only place for the fight, let's find out how much Vegas can ante up.

See, you don't need 1M US buys to match or exceed what Joshua makes from 25 dollar PPVs in Britain.

And you don't need to sell 90,000 seats in Vegas to generate an 8 million dollar gate.

These are very reachable numbers for two undefeated heavyweights who are both KO artists and good in front of a camera.

It will be the easiest promotion in recent history.

And it will sell...in the US.

Well, thank God they are both knockout specialists. After the debacle that was the "result" of GGG v Canelo, the LAST thing any decent fighter wants to chance is a "Vegas decision." It's like rolling the dice at the craps table.

And, it's all together missing the point. A fight like this DESERVES to be a spectacle - nothing says "spectacle" so much as a massive stadium filled to the brim with folks looking for the once-in-a-lifetime experience of being able to say "I was there." Why would the fight being held in Wembley do much less PPV business in America than it does if held in Vegas? Granted, there are time differences - but AJ v Klitschko sold around 700k via Showtime, for live broadcast and almost the same with HBO for the delayed showing - and not an American fighter in sight. That's excluding the record-breaking business it did on SKY and the 10.4 million (TEN POINT FOUR) people who bought the fight in Germany (Klitschko factor, admittedly.)

Wilder has been champion longer, yes - but what other options does he have, other than AJ? AJ has several lucrative options even BEFORE he has to face Wilder and, as a 20-fight greenhorn, he couldn't be blamed if he wanted to maximize the value of his brand before tackling Wilder. I'm not saying that will happen, or even that it's what he wants to do...I am simply pointing out that there are huge fights AJ could still make with, or without, Wilder. I still think the fight will happen in Summer and, since Wilder's team seems to be calling for Eddie Hearn to make all the running (what does Lou diBella ACTUALLY do?), then, it is logical to suggest that England is the most likely destination for the fight.

[RussB23]

Stiverne didnt throw a single punch.

[koolkc107]

Well, thank God they are both knockout specialists. After the debacle that was the "result" of GGG v Canelo, the LAST thing any decent fighter wants to chance is a "Vegas decision." It's like rolling the dice at the craps table.

And, it's all together missing the point. A fight like this DESERVES to be a spectacle - nothing says "spectacle" so much as a massive stadium filled to the brim with folks looking for the once-in-a-lifetime experience of being able to say "I was there." Why would the fight being held in Wembley do much less PPV business in America than it does if held in Vegas? Granted, there are time differences - but AJ v Klitschko sold around 700k via Showtime, for live broadcast and almost the same with HBO for the delayed showing - and not an American fighter in sight. That's excluding the record-breaking business it did on SKY and the 10.4 million (TEN POINT FOUR) people who bought the fight in Germany (Klitschko factor, admittedly.)

Wilder has been champion longer, yes - but what other options does he have, other than AJ? AJ has several lucrative options even BEFORE he has to face Wilder and, as a 20-fight greenhorn, he couldn't be blamed if he wanted to maximize the value of his brand before tackling Wilder. I'm not saying that will happen, or even that it's what he wants to do...I am simply pointing out that there are huge fights AJ could still make with, or without, Wilder. I still think the fight will happen in Summer and, since Wilder's team seems to be calling for Eddie Hearn to make all the running (what does Lou diBella ACTUALLY do?), then, it is logical to suggest that England is the most likely destination for the fight.

There is no bigger spectacle than a Vegas fight.

And, if there is really is money to be made, Vegas is the place.

All the record gates are in Vegas, in spite of Wembley selling out so many times.

And a PPV from Britain would either have to happen in the wee hours local time to accomodate the US's prime time or it would happen in the middle of the afternoon US which would flatten buys greatly.

The 1.4M folks in the US (not 700K) and 10.4 in Germany DID NOT BUY THE FIGHT. Those viewership numbers from cable channels that aired the fight to subscribers at no addition charge. THOSE NUMBERS DO NOT REFLECT ADDITIONAL REVENUE PER SE. For that, you'd have to find out what the companies actually paid to air the fight. For example, the number I heard for US rights was 2.4M. Which comes out to less than $2 a head for US viewers.

When you compare that to what a PPV could do broadcasting from the US, I think it is easy to see how it could mean more if Vegas is behind the fight.

As for what Wilder could make or not make, that remains to be seen. His Q rating is definitely higher after his KO of Stiverne and, if he has to fight someone else before Joshua, you can bet there will be a fair amount of interest. Another performance like last Saturday's and Wilder gets even more expensive.

That's what Hearn is not realizing.

[sotgoda]

The fight makes the most money in Vegas. Anybody with enough financial experience and understanding of the factors that go into making a fight can see that. This is a fight everyone wants to see - most of the celebrities in the US are tuned now about Wilder. Some have previously shown up to his fights. He is only going to get bigger. With the right marketing of this fight as they did for Mayweather-McGregor, this fight sells at least 1.5 million PPV in my opinion which destroys any amount that can be made in the UK.

[cally93]

Is AJ/Wilder PPV in America? and does the fight garner the interest over there to warrant being in Vegas?

Obviously if the numbers can be met then Vegas is the logical choice it’s the Mecca of boxing after all, but they’re both virtual unknowns to the casuals in the U.S.

[_original_]

The fight makes the most money in Vegas. Anybody with enough financial experience and understanding of the factors that go into making a fight can see that. This is a fight everyone wants to see - most of the celebrities in the US are tuned now about Wilder. Some have previously shown up to his fights. He is only going to get bigger. With the right marketing of this fight as they did for Mayweather-McGregor, this fight sells at least 1.5 million PPV in my opinion which destroys any amount that can be made in the UK.

Don't forget that the UK fans will have no problem traveling to Vegas like they did for Hatton fights. Not sure it cracks 1.5 though.

[sotgoda]

Don't forget that the UK fans will have no problem traveling to Vegas like they did for Hatton fights. Not sure it cracks 1.5 though.

Agreed. UK fans are very loyal. I think it can crack 1.5 easily with the right marketing. That's the key.

[eco1]

Well, if AJ stops running and actually winds up being one of those opponents, then it is appropriate to note how easily his opponents land on AJ.

That one-two that Wlad put AJ down with...do you doubt Wilder could do the same but even faster and with more power?

That's what Hearn is afraid of.

His nightmare literally flashed before his eyes Saturday, seeing a guy who weighed the same as his AJ put down by a faster and more powerful left-right combo the same one that floored Joshua against Wlad, a combo AJ took rounds to completely put behind him.

he can't throw the 1-2 Vlad threw. Wlad knows how to do it.

I would love to see Wlad Ko Wilder.
The Vlad that fought AJ would have put Bum Squad on a stretcher.

[Larry the boss]

Typical ****...when one boxer(a.j.) in just his 19 pro fight beats the long time reigning unified champ and draws the attention from the other belt holder(wilder) that in 39 pro fights having fought only two recognizable names(chris arrreola and bermane)somehow claims to be the best! So wilder talks **** about a.j...typical..ill go with the quite a.j. Thats actually proving his worth...he's more believable,shut up and sign the contract!..the proof is in the pudding just sit back and watch wilders next opponent be another bum...just watch and observe..

what long time reigning unified champ has Joshua defeated?

[Larry the boss]

How have he proven anything fighting a guy past 40 you sound dumb

Wasnt it Joshua whos best win is against a 41 year old?