The shot that first dropped Stiverne...same as the one that dropped Malik Scott.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Malik Scott:



Difference this time is that against Stiverne this time, Wilder stepped in with the punch from a shocking distance and had full momentum on the punch, then he put full back strength on it when he threw - shades of the Charlo brothers.




It's also a very similar shot to what put Joshua on his ass against Grabomir.

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Problem, as I'm sure Teddy Atlas would point out, is that while this technique would perfectly work against stationary blocking targets, Wilder leaves himself no out with that punch - he either lands it or gets countered easily. Stiverne figured he'd just defend until he got inside - a ****** strategy. A fighter with good head movement and countering capability would not have gotten hit with that and Wilder would have been dropped easily off of an uppercut or right hook counter.

I think Luis Ortiz would have exposed it. I think PEDvetkin might also have exposed it too.

[Vinnykin]

Agree. Those punches will be so easy to read for a sharp fighter.

His technique is terrible, it's just he hasn't fought any one good enough to exploit his mistakes and wild punches yet.

[Slyboots]

The difference is the one with Stiverne actually landed.

[DuckAdonis]

Grabomir lol

[Combat Talk Radio]

The difference is the one with Stiverne actually landed.

Wilder DID land on Scott. Right through the guard. It just happened so fast it looked like it didn't.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Agree. Those punches will be so easy to read for a sharp fighter.

His technique is terrible, it's just he hasn't fought any one good enough to exploit his mistakes and wild punches yet.

The thing is his technique is fine for the majority of the current HW division, actually. Very few fighters in the current landscape practice anything more than power tactics, so he can get away with it.

But I look at the shot and how his left hand is nowhere near proper position to deal with a counter, he turns his head off the pivot. And I imagine a slip and right hook counter where if timed properly, Deontay would basically be turning his head right into the shot with no way to block it and no real answer, and at that momentum it would be like twice the punch. That's what I picture Ortiz doing.

PEDvetkin would probably have kept body hunting to force Deontay into the "sleep walking" position and then nailed him upstairs because the chin was there to be hit and foot positioning all wrong to get out of the way of the shot.


Thinking back to Tyson/Gross, Deontay would have been the one going out in a body bag if he tried that against Tyson.

[Luilun]

All I have to say is Charlie Z was more competitive than Fat Boy Stiverne

[RussB23]

I dont think it was a left hook, i just think he hit stiverne with right hand.

[The Gambler1981]

I think it is much harder to avoid that most make out. it is possible to but it is hard to fire back because that is such a dangerous punch that you get so focused on avoiding it that it is hard to really do much about it. Plus it is coming fast from like halfway across the ring, also he doesn't always come straight down the middle so guys have to be very careful they know the path off the punch so when he does come right down the pipe it doesn't come as a surprise thus much harder to do something about.

Obviously all it takes it one time for a guy to dodge it and come back strong for it to end badly for Wilder though and a top end guy will have a chance of doing that.