In all seriousness, on current form I make Wilder favorite over AJ

[Earl-Hickey]

I was convinced that Joshua would learn from the Klitschko fight and quite frankly I expected a clinic from him vs Takam.

We did not get that.

Instead, we had a 254lbs Joshua who was weighing in HEAVIER than "fat lennox" (who by the way was naturally bigger than joshua), who plodded his way to a lackluster win vs a "pretty decent" contender.

Joshua looked ok, but far from impressive. Handspeed diminished, no snap on punches, no creativity, long lapses of inactivity to preserve failing stamina... it was poor tbh.

Deontay came out last night and did what you are supposed to do to a late replacement, he blasted him out in chilling fashion.

Wilder is making noise, and Wilder seems to be the guy who is improving while Joshua looks to be going backwards.

Hearn needs to make a FAIR offer to wilder and he needs to make the details of that offer public and leave it in Wilders hands.

If they dont make a decent effort to get Wilder next, then I won't be supporting Joshua in his next fight. It needs to happen and I can't support any swerving of the fight because Deontay looks ready to take it.

[Lester Tutor]

Wilder's straight right is no joke. People can make fun of wind mills, but Wilder's range finding is as tactical as the way Klitschko found a spot to floor Joshua. Wilder is the more consistent range finder with his right than an old Klitschko. Hearn wants Wilder to hopefully go through a tough battle with Whyte as was the Joshua vs Whyte bout

[asgarth]

joshua didnt look good in his fight, but Im pretty certain joshua would have laid out stiverne in 1 or 2 rounds without really showing any shortcomings, because 2017 stiverne ist just that bad. Then most people would say joshua looked devastating.

It wasnt long ago that Wilder was confused by Washingtons boxing skills. Both guys have their shortcomings.

[Earl-Hickey]

Wilder's straight right is no joke. People can make fun of wind mills, but Wilder's range finding is as tactical as the way Klitschko found a spot to floor Joshua. Wilder is the more consistent range finder with his right than an old Klitschko. Hearn wants Wilder to hopefully go through a tough battle with Whyte as was the Joshua vs Whyte bout

I'm not going to get carried away with either Wilder or Joshua. Wilder has a ridiculous right hand, but I don't know if we can call him more consistant than old klitschko.

Wilder has his own flaws, he is defensively lax, and nowhere near the boxer klitschko is. His best attributes lie in his power and athleticism, BUT those attributes can also land him in the danger zone as he has a tendency to jump in and out of the pocket with his hands out of position and leaves himself very vulnerable. If Joshua DOES come in in the right condition, he is a sharpshooter himself who would see openings to land on Wilder.

I see Wilder as the bigger puncher but I think it's kind of a moot point because I dont think either can take the others power.

It IS a competitive fight, If both come in in their best shape, I give Joshua an edge, but if they both come in the same condition as their last fights, i give wilder the edge

[DoomOnHorseback]

On current form?
Come on mate.
He's just blasted out a 39 year old fat nightclub doorman.
AJ fought a replacement as well. Had a full camp of training for a different style of fighter. You cannot argue that AJ's replacement was not better than Wilder's.
Current form. VK was 41 but in great shape. IMO would have beaten most heavyweights in the division the night Joshua put him away.
Would you say that AJ's performance against Takam was less impressive than Wilders v Washington?
We've now covered both fighters bouts for this calendar year. I'd strongly argue that form is with AJ.

[Lester Tutor]

I'm not going to get carried away with either Wilder or Joshua. Wilder has a ridiculous right hand, but I don't know if we can call him more consistant than old klitschko.

Wilder has his own flaws, he is defensively lax, and nowhere near the boxer klitschko is. His best attributes lie in his power and athleticism, BUT those attributes can also land him in the danger zone as he has a tendency to jump in and out of the pocket with his hands out of position and leaves himself very vulnerable. If Joshua DOES come in in the right condition, he is a sharpshooter himself who would see openings to land on Wilder.

I see Wilder as the bigger puncher but I think it's kind of a moot point because I dont think either can take the others power.

It IS a competitive fight, If both come in in their best shape, I give Joshua an edge, but if they both come in the same condition as their last fights, i give wilder the edge

What do you mean? How many landed rights did Klitschko land on Joshua clean or with the guard up? Put Wilder in that scenario. We can agree that Wilder is more basic than even an old Klitschko... All I'm saying is that Wilder is more consistent with the right and I fancy Deontay's jabs at times as well.

[yammy25]

Right.. because the takam that had 12 weeks of training and came in at peak physical fitness is always going to be on par with a fat stiverne who admitted he hadnt done a single bit of training for the fight.

**** me.. people love to ovet analyze so lets give it a go.

AJ.. trains for Pulev for whole camp.. has one week to train for shorter.. higher work rate inside fighter.. almost the **** opposite of what he trained for. Has his nose broken in the second round impeding clarity.. senses and cardio vadcular ability by hindering breathing.

Wins every round on one scorecard.. all but one on the other two. Actually shows a better chin in the fight than on previous occasions.

Result - AJ was ****.. poor fight.. not a good champ.

Wilder - has longer to train for stiverne.. a fighter he has already faced. A fighter who has admitted to not doing any training and who has fought once since their last fight and was put on his arse by a journeyman.

Wilder knocks the non training fat bum down in the first round as many expected.

Result - wilder is a beast.. beats AJ everyday..untouchable..AJ is ****.

This forum is fucccckin ****.

[FrankieBruno]

It is a 50/50 fight, which i keep telling you guys

Wilder is hated on here for no reason, but against AJ...Wilder has the size and range

Also Wilder is very explosive and AJ is very cautious, so the first 5 rounds it is going to be a test for AJ.

The problem with AJ is the lack of defense, very easy to hit. Wilder also has the power to floor anyone

I feel AJ was moved along very quickly, he still needs another 7 - 10 fights, Wilder looks more seasoned and knows his strengths and weaknesses

If i was Matchroom from a business standpoint i would keep AJ away from Wilder, but from a fan standpoint, AJ knew what he was getting into when he got his hands on those titles

The hunter is now being hunted

I will say this though Tyson Fury would be absolute hell for Wilder

[Earl-Hickey]

On current form?
Come on mate.
He's just blasted out a 39 year old fat nightclub doorman.
AJ fought a replacement as well. Had a full camp of training for a different style of fighter. You cannot argue that AJ's replacement was not better than Wilder's.
Current form. VK was 41 but in great shape. IMO would have beaten most heavyweights in the division the night Joshua put him away.
Would you say that AJ's performance against Takam was less impressive than Wilders v Washington?
We've now covered both fighters bouts for this calendar year. I'd strongly argue that form is with AJ.

The takam performance raised a lot of question marks for me. Takam is decent but not a world beater.

I personally think AJ has gone backwards since the charles martin to brezeale period. And i do think its a lot to do with too many weights and putting on too much weight.

The klitschko fight was great fun and a great night but Joshua sc****d through by the skin of his teeth. He did well to survive the 5th round and in retrospect i feel the stoppage came off a last ditch effort from joshua who was down on the cards. He got the stoppage but had wlad been a couple of years younger i doubt he would have.

I expected AJ to leatn from that fight, and come in leaner and look a lot sharper and more energetic vs takam. The opposite happened, but fortunatley it was "only takam" in the opposite corner.

Wilder is mobile, he forces a pace and hes unpredictable. He is a handfull.

[redmish]

Right.. because the takam that had 12 weeks of training and came in at peak physical fitness is always going to be on par with a fat stiverne who admitted he hadnt done a single bit of training for the fight.

**** me.. people love to ovet analyze so lets give it a go.

AJ.. trains for Pulev for whole camp.. has one week to train for shorter.. higher work rate inside fighter.. almost the **** opposite of what he trained for. Has his nose broken in the second round impeding clarity.. senses and cardio vadcular ability by hindering breathing.

Wins every round on one scorecard.. all but one on the other two. Actually shows a better chin in the fight than on previous occasions.

Result - AJ was ****.. poor fight.. not a good champ.

Wilder - has longer to train for stiverne.. a fighter he has already faced. A fighter who has admitted to not doing any training and who has fought once since their last fight and was put on his arse by a journeyman.

Wilder knocks the non training fat bum down in the first round as many expected.

Result - wilder is a beast.. beats AJ everyday..untouchable..AJ is ****.

This forum is fucccckin ****.

The first decent post I've read all day. I can't believe the rubbish people are spouting. The same people have been saying for months that stiverne was rubbish and didn't deserve a shot.