I really think Wilder knocks Joshua out now

[NaijaD]

Acting like Joshua doesn't have major flaws is to me whistling through the graveyard.

You do the exact same to Wilder you magnify his weakness and downplay what he actually does well. You seem to think Wilder is like the easiest guy to fight in the world, if he is such a mark Joshua should just take care of business. That is not how a team of pros are treating Wilder though now is it?

I've said many times that Joshua is flawed.... He has stamina issues but I don't see Wilder and his poor fundamentals lasting long enough to expose that.

You don't have to magnify Wilders weaknesses because they are plain to see, he looks like a guy that just started boxing yesterday. I literally cringe whenever he fights.

Take all the confidence you want from Hearn and Joshua not being as vocal as Wilder.... it will mean absolutely nothing when they fight next year. By your logic Wilder must be scared of Dillian Whyte cause it's clear to see who's more vocal along with Wilder scoffing at what would be by far his highest payday 3 or 4 times over.

If only Wilder fought as well as he talked then maybe you Wilder backers wouldn't look so flipping blind.

[uppercut510]

all wilder has to do is keep him on the outside with the jab for 7 rounds and then go for the destruction in the 8-12. that's if Joshua doesn't fix the stamina issues and the defense. not saying he wouldn't put up a good scrap but if he gasses vs wilder it could be lights out. that's just reality. we as boxing fans all should know this

and to the thread starter I didn't block u for something u did wrong, its that I work and my supv or co workers can sometimes see my computer.

[The Gambler1981]

I've said many times that Joshua is flawed.... He has stamina issues but I don't see Wilder and his poor fundamentals lasting long enough to expose that.

You don't have to magnify Wilders weaknesses because they are plain to see, he looks like a guy that just started boxing yesterday. I literally cringe whenever he fights.

Take all the confidence you want from Hearn and Joshua not being as vocal as Wilder.... it will mean absolutely nothing when they fight next year. By your logic Wilder must be scared of Dillian Whyte cause it's clear to see who's more vocal along with Wilder scoffing at what would be by far his highest payday 3 or 4 times over.

If only Wilder fought as well as he talked then maybe you Wilder backers wouldn't look so flipping blind.

All it takes is one mistake and Joshua is not some flawless technician or any kind of defensive wizard so really he is there for Wilder to hit, if someone is there to be hit by Wilder he clearly has a chance because: 1) he has a huge punch 2) He has a huge punch radius so he tags guys from really far away 3) He has fast hand.

Yea his boxing technique is not what you would call textbook but boxing technique is a tricky thing it is more about being effective than looking right and Wilder has found a way to make his funky style work for him. Will it work against Joshua maybe or perhaps not.

Is Whyte in the same position as Wilder? Is Whyte one of the top 3 or 4 guys in the division where Wilder should be thinking about him? Does Whyte really do anything for Wilder?

Now ask those questions about Joshua and Wilder. One is not like the other~ and the public is only calling for one of the fights. Wilder would also fight Whyte if it lead to what he actually wanted, mostly because despite what he is saying Wilder knows a fight with Joshua is not next no matter what he wants so if it is not happening next make a bit of money and get what you want after.


I was confident before, I was confident the night Joshua beat Wlad that Wilder could give him a run for his money. This just gives me an objective point rather than my opinion of how both men fight.

[NaijaD]

All it takes is one mistake and Joshua is not some flawless technician or any kind of defensive wizard so really he is there for Wilder to hit, if someone is there to be hit by Wilder he clearly has a chance because: 1) he has a huge punch 2) He has a huge punch radius so he tags guys from really far away 3) He has fast hand.

Yea his boxing technique is not what you would call textbook but boxing technique is a tricky thing it is more about being effective than looking right and Wilder has found a way to make his funky style work for him. Will it work against Joshua maybe or perhaps not.

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You Wilder fans love talking about mistakes..... trust me on this: Before Joshua makes his first mistake Wilder will already have made several, at which point the fight would probably be over. And even then Joshua has at least absorbed bombs from Wlad, who has tested Wilders chin?..... the reality is one punch is not likely to be enough for Wilder to end this fight, not even close.

Call it funky or whatever you want but it's poor fundamentals and the only reason he hasn't lost is because he hasn't fought anyone good enough to expose him, that's not entirely his fault admittedly.

[uppercut510]

You Wilder fans love talking about mistakes..... trust me on this: Before Joshua makes his first mistake Wilder will already have made several, at which point the fight would probably be over. And even then Joshua has at least absorbed bombs from Wlad, who has tested Wilders chin?..... the reality is one punch is not likely to be enough for Wilder to end this fight, not even close.

Call it funky or whatever you want but it's poor fundamentals and the only reason he hasn't lost is because he hasn't fought anyone good enough to expose him, that's not entirely his fault admittedly.

if Joshua tires vs wilder he can be in big trouble. I think that's a fact. everything else we can agree to disagree.

[The Gambler1981]

You Wilder fans love talking about mistakes..... trust me on this: Before Joshua makes his first mistake Wilder will already have made several, at which point the fight would probably be over. And even then Joshua has at least absorbed bombs from Wlad, who has tested Wilders chin?..... the reality is one punch is not likely to be enough for Wilder to end this fight, not even close.

Call it funky or whatever you want but it's poor fundamentals and the only reason he hasn't lost is because he hasn't fought anyone good enough to expose him, that's not entirely his fault admittedly.

Mistakes only matter if they can be taken advantage of and Wilder is not an easy guy to make pay because I have seen Joshua eat more clean power punches than Wilder. Sure a couple guys jabbed Wilder a bit and a good jab will hamper Wilder but Joshua while he has decent jab is not tricky or consistent with it and if he throws a bad jab Wilder can come back with a right over it and that is not a trade that has worked out for most heavies.


So who is really making the bad mistakes here? If one guy makes a mistake but doesn't get hit or the guy who makes mistakes but gets tagged.

Boxing style is a matter of being effective it is not at all how it looks, the visual of how someone fights is obviously important to you but if a guy can get the job done being silly, cheap, awkward, skillful, funky then they know what they are doing. Boxing is about finding a way to adapt and overcome with the abilities a guy has, a guy to caught up in their style or only doing thing a certain way ends up a prisoner to it and it become a weakness

[Mr Objecitivity]

Here is one fact: Deontay Wilder is almost totally untested against any top / elite level opposition. He hasn't fought a single opponent that was ranked in the top 10, except Bermane Stiverne (who is one of the worst out of that group). Therefore, one objectively has no way to really infer how well he would do against any elite / top level opposition, not just Anthony Joshua. It's totally debatable if Wilder even beats the likes of Carlos Takam, Alexander Povetkin, Luis Ortiz, Dillian Whyte, Dereck Chisora, Kubrat Pulev and so forth so on.

On the other hand, Anthony Joshua has been tested against elite level opposition already. So has Joseph Parker. Therefore, we've seen what they can do and they have been somewhat exposed.

So we'll see how good Deontay Wilder looks, relative to Anthony Joshua when he also faces an elite caliber opposition (assuming he ever does). His current record against his current opposition has very little to no value when trying to infer how he would do against the likes of Anthony Joshua.

[j.razor]

Its a 50/50 fight and ive always felt that way.

Wilder is more athletic and explosive and Joshua is more technically sound.

I agree, & AJ is slow too.

[sotgoda]

Who are the elite that Joshua has tested himself against? Can all these AJ delusional fans stop this nonsense? The only person of note that he has fought is Wlad - who by the way was coming off a 17 month layoff, is 41+ at the time of the fight and was coming off a defeat - so much lower confidence than we had the belt. Now, most Wilder fans give AJ credit but we are not under any illusion that AJ was fighting a live opponent. No, he wasn't. A Klitschko of 5 years before knocks AJ out under 5.

Now, Wilder's flaws get exaggerated here because he does not look textbook but he is effective. Wilder moves better than AJ (yes, that is true), he has a better jab than AJ, he has a better right hand than AJ, better head movement and much better stamina. These are the reasons why I say Wilder beats him. I want to hear what you AJ fans have to say to argue the 5 items I listed above.

AJ has a stronger base (legs), better technique, more compact with his swings, throws more combinations than Wilder does, better uppercut, and is heavier than Wilder.

In terms of power of their shots, Wilder is more powerful. Most heavyweights have stated that Wilder has more power than AJ. The eye test also confirms that.

Now is Wilder clumsy and sloppy sometimes? Yes, he is. But it is not as bad as it is made on here. Let's take a look at the Wilder- Washington fight. Yes, Wilder initially struggled through 3 with Gerald's jab - but Wilder was not hurt, bothered, in trouble at any point. Did he lose most of those rounds? Yes, he did. But that's why it is a marathon (12 rounds) not a sprint. By the beginning of the 4th, you already saw Wilder figured him out and then lights out in the 5th. So, what's the point exactly in denigrating Wilder as if he was injured or in trouble against Washington? He wasn't.

Same for against Duhuapas (who stopped Helenius in 6) who Whyte fought. Wilder beat him from pillar to post for 11 rounds. He was durable but took too much punishment. I actually think this is Wilder's most difficult fight to date. But, people act like Wilder was ever in trouble. No, he wasn't.

Is AJ clumsy at times? Yes, he is but you guys are not willing to admit that. Same for AJ against Takam. He dominated the fight from start to finish. But if you AJ delusional fans want to nitpick a few mistakes here and there that Wilder makes, then we also can do the same for AJ in this match, and just focus on what he did badly.

[b00g13man]

He could. He's got the power, but it's more likely Joshua would get to him first.