Comments Thread For: Andrade's Promoters Delighted He Outdrew HBO's Main Event

[Cigar]

Andrade was in there with a guy who tore his rotator cuff in the first round and barely threw anything. Why couldn't he put him away?? I think HBO regrets their 3 fight contract.

[Teetotaler]

That fight was about as entertaining as laras fights

[filup79]

Fight was boring as hell, switched over to Audience channel and watched the cruiser weight fight between Gassiev and Wlodarczyk. Andrade talks too much about fighting top fighters but ends up fighting some C level fighters back to back and looks terrible.

[AdonisCreed]

100% on the time difference to the East Coast. Also, you can also say that Andrade's fight was lackluster enough that people did not want to stick around for the rest of the show.

That's very true. He was dominating the fight I don't know why he didn't step on the gas and get that kid out. Also the main event fight was much more entertaining than his fight!

[AdonisCreed]

Andrade was in there with a guy who tore his rotator cuff in the first round and barely threw anything. Why couldn't he put him away?? I think HBO regrets their 3 fight contract.

Andrade's 3 fight contract is gonna last for about 5 years because he's so inactive lol

[AdonisCreed]

Andrade needs to be more active. His fight wasn't much more entertaining than Lara's fight with Guasha lol

[N!Ck F.]

Boring ass fight. Fox looked like he was gonna quit in the corner every round, and all Andrade had to do was give him a reason to and he didn’t.

[Boxing Logic]

Exactly, his Promoters are totally dumb and HBO will look at this and see people switching off because he's a boring fighter and not rush to make him a headline guy in the future.

The sooner HBO get rid of Steve Nelson the better.

I watch Boxing to be entertained, not put to sleep and i'd be happy if guys like Lara and Andrade never appeared on television again.

It's not that Andrade cant be entertaining, its that the opponent was too overmatched. One thing I agree with you about HBO, is why do they always do this? They tried to build up Andrade before, having him in super boring fights against B-level guys like Martirosan, or C-level guys like Brian Rose, and then Andrade bolted networks or whatever before ever delivering a top level fight. Now Andrade finally comes back to HBO, and is it to deliver a top level fight? No, it's right back to the same old C-level tuneups HBO was feeding him before.

HBO is one of the most powerful en****** in all of boxing. Why do the fighters always get favors from them? Why does HBO always have to put out the red carpet for them first, and then, maybe, they pay back HBO with top level fights? Like, 10% of the time. The other 90%, they never even do. Just look what happened after all the tuneups HBO gave Stevenson. Or look at how HBO gave Andre Ward so many tuneup fights, then even played the propaganda role in helping him rob Kovalev, only for Ward to bolt to retirement before ever giving HBO the fights they really wanted, like a long-term star-building campaign against the killers at 175 (first Stevenson, then Beterbiev, then Bivol, etc, and after that Ward would be a PPV star), or the GGG fight.

Given that HBO already gave Andrade multiple easy fights in the past, why wasn't their contract structured around getting a top level fight or three first? HBO should have said, "You can come back, but we already gave you tuneups in the past, so your first two fights on your new contract need to be against two of Jacobs, Charlo, Lemieux, and Saunders. Then after delivering the quality our subscribers expect in your first two fights, we will give you one tuneup, but keep in mind your style is not entertaining in mismatches, so after that one tuneup, we expect two more real ones. We already gave you multiple tuneups in the past, so even if four of your next five fights are against elite competition, that will still mean you got 3 or 4 tuneups out of the 7 or 8 fights we've given you total. That's still more than your boring style really deserves or makes sense financially, but we wanted to be nice."

Instead, they started him off with a tuneup again. it's like every single fighter HBO brings on, for some reason they give them five tuneups first, without even any guarantee of a real fight down the line. Sometimes they built to it, or sometimes the fighter just leaves before delivering. Mikey Garcia did the exact same ****. HBO set him up with a bunch of tuneups against smaller fighters, including an old Juan Manuel Lopez, and then right as they were finally supposed to deliver Mikey against prime Gamboa a year later than it was supposed to happen, Garcia left for Showtime.

It keeps happening over and over. Why does the biggest name in the game, HBO Boxing, basically the Lion of the boxing jungle, keep getting its neck stepped on by gazelles? At least with Mikey Garcia there were lots of people who wanted to sign him, so maybe HBO had to compete with them and bend over backwards to try to make Mikey Garcia happy, but Boo Boo Andrade? Showtime isn't getting in some bidding war to lure Andrade away from HBO. Showtime couldn't even find time to put Andrade on TV. So HBO literally has no competition for this boxer, and yet they are still letting him dictate, and giving him boring tuneup fights, which their subscribers hate, before he ever delivers them one single fight of quality.

What is HBO doing? I actually like what Peter Nelson has done overall because largely he has been turning down mismatches, and demanding better fights. He turned down Lomachenko vs TBA and would only accept Lomachenko-Walters. He did stuff like that a lot. But lately, first with all of the Andre Ward and Miguel Cotto mismatch bull****, basically Roc Nation nepotism bull**** is what it seems like, and now with Andrade, Nelson is starting to **** stuff up and no longer getting **** for his buck.

He also did the same **** with Chocolatito. The fights they bought at 112 were total boring mismatches as I recall, and then the fights at 115 turned out to be good fights cuz the opponents were so much bigger than Chocolatito, but were not against the top names in that division either. Why didn't HBO demand Estrada and then Inoue right away in order for Chocolatito to get on HBO? Why did they constantly settle for everything but the two fights fans wanted to see most, and now as a result neither HBO or the fans will ever get to see those fights in the context fans wanted to see them in, which was when Chocolatito was still at the top of his game?

Nelson did well early on, but there have been a string of major, major errors this year. Heck, even allowing the GGG-Canelo fight to marinate so long ruined that fight as well. So Nelson has made like five major errors this year.

But of course, maybe thats the point. Maybe he didnt want a good GGG-Canelo fight, maybe what he wanted was for Canelo to take minimal damage and win, so he can continue to make money off Canelo. And same for Chocolatito, maybe he didnt want to make Chocolatito-Inoue early on, or even Estrada, because he didnt want the Mexican, Estrada, to lose, or the much younger future star, Inoue, to lose. Just like they covered up the Ward-Kovalev corruption because they wanted Ward to come out the winner.

So if Nelson's goal isnt to make the best fights during fighter's primes, but if his goal is to actually control who wins the fights and even delay good fights until someone is old enough to get beaten, then that explains all of this, and boxing fans have a whole new problem. And unfortunately, it seems to me that this is exactly what Nelson is doing. Hes not trying to deliver the best fights to his subscribers, like he should be. Instead, he is trying to deliver the most PPV money to his bosses, and build PPV stars for his bosses, even if that means delaying fights until such a point when an inferior but more marketable fighter can win them. And that of course is killing boxing AND the PPV market long term, but they dont seem to realize or care about that, all they seem to care about is the immediate quick dollar.

[GFunk23]

Yes while he dominated the fight, other than for a brief moment in the 1st round, he never looked like finishing Fox. It was a dreadful fight to watch on TV and you could hear the boo birds at the fight. GGG, Canelo or Lemieux would have knocked Fox out. Fox had a very lazy jab and hung his chin out there to get whacked but Andrade wanted to play it safe, get the win, and bore people to death. Andrade’s stock definitely drops after that performance and yes HBO must wonder how they are going to compete with ESPN, Showtime, PBC etc with guys like Andrade on new multi fight deals. I think Andrade is talented and would be competitive against Canelo and GGG (although GGG would stop him late rounds) but that was a weak, mediocre performance. Don’t blame it on Fox’s height, recall what Andrade did to Willie Nelson.

[Mammoth]

Everybody got sleepy, turned off the TV and went to bed after that fight...