Does Rocky Marciano's 50th victory, KO of Muhammad Ali, make him the GOAT?

[Lou Cipher]

lou bro I got a bit of a dilemma geezermate. I would like to watch cotto vs ali tommorow. But at the same time I'd like to watch your one sided magnificent beatdown of that larryxxx bloke. You shouldn't bash the dyslexic too bad. Not his fault he can't spell larynx properly. also I live near london and can't attend the fight in person but, could you organise a mobile compatible live stream exclusive. I know your in peak condition mentally, physically take this rat poison marinated parsnip out of the game.

The fight has been called off my friend. Sorry for all the hype and then it not happen. I got a call from vada and apparently Larry has been buying steroids under the name Laurence X.

[PsychoPat]

The fight has been called off my friend. Sorry for all the hype and then it not happen. I got a call from vada and apparently Larry has been buying steroids under the name Laurence X.

*** sake there's a thing called clean competitive sport I guess Malcolm X can't beat you unaided and needs a chemical crutch. Is there a reschedule date sorted yet maybe first quarter of 2018?

[Lou Cipher]

*** sake there's a thing called clean competitive sport I guess Malcolm X can't beat you unaided and needs a chemical crutch. Is there a reschedule date sorted yet maybe first quarter of 2018?

Looks like he retired. Sucks because Lou Cipher is the only juice free athlete in Boxing aside from Manny Pacquiao

[PsychoPat]

Looks like he retired. Sucks because Lou Cipher is the only juice free athlete in Boxing aside from Manny Pacquiao

That husk of a man wimped out in anticipation of a hellacious beatdown at the hands of you. I think you broke his pysche. And amen to that

[Lou Cipher]

That husk of a man wimped out in anticipation of a hellacious beatdown at the hands of you. I think you broke his pysche. And amen to that

Real talk the strange part is that I really thought you guys would have fun with all this. I wasn't gonna hurt the guy. I figured it would be a good time for you guys. A total of 3 people from this board showed up today/tonight and one of them doesn't even have an account anymore.

I also honestly expected Floyd to send some goons. Just a normal night. All good though.

[Dempsey19]

For what it’s worth Marciano at that point in time could probably beat Ali then, Marciano was all muscle while Ali was fat and out of shape due to his ban.

[QueensburyRules]

Even if there was a shred of truth to that, which is a reach, does it matter if the person directing the outcome is labeled a "Director" or a "Promoter" or a "Casino Mogul" or and "Investor" or an "Al Haymon" or anything else?

Back in Rocky and Muhammad's day it certainly doesn't count. But by todays standards, this would have done 5 million PPV and there would have been a WBC belt on the line. I dare you to deny that.

--- What grade you in?

It was part of the first ever computer tourney and was broadcast via radio around the world.

The final featured ali and Rock who agreed to sparring sessions to create a fight film. Both had mad rrespect for each other based on the sparring. Film distributed around the world with two different endings made mad $$$$.

[HanzGruber]

Just noticed this guy hasn’t posted in over a year. Thank you he was a ***ing moron

[Marchegiano]

Oh it's true, people do hate Marciano, but, it isn't racism it's boxing bias.

Marciano is a shining example of how so much of boxing is unfounded bull**** people just repeat unchallenged. In order to retain certain stances that are popular in boxing circles fans must make excuses for the anomaly that is Marciano.

How about this one? 9-10 times a great boxer will beat a great puncher. Marciano being the only undefeated HW champ in modern history kind of throws a wrench in that idea doesn't he? We can simply excuse the entire era, write it off as special, and continue to believe that boxers are more successful than punchers in the sport. Funny how since 1888 there's only been one special era. Funny how it's easier for some to believe in a special era than a special man.

Boxing's sweet science BS falls all to **** when you see very scientific boxers fail to recognize simple newtonian physics presented by Marciano. So what we claim is Marciano fought old men. 49 fights, find me more than six names that were more than a year older than Marciano....that's a whole lot of peer group not worth considering.

Continuing on this line of thought, any boxer outside of Marciano who fights a man the same age as themselves but has twice as much experience is usually thought to be well behind the vet and have a hard uphill battle. Ezzard Charles is not a full year older than Marciano. Ezzard has twice Rock's experience. If he was anyone else we'd consider that a great win. Instead, we call Ezzard old, past it, and worn.

Marciano olds the record for the hardest punch recorded by science. Boxing says power is something you are born with but no one has fought like Marciano since Marciano and no one has had the KOs or retirements like him since either....hmm...To diminish this accomplishment fans will assert that test is dated and done by dated means. Today, they claim, we use electronics. I am a prosthetic inventor by trade, a kinesiologist. It is me who would be hired for this sort of job. Let me be clear, I can prove who I am at anytime to anyone and no scientist worth their salt is going to measure a kinetic energy using electronics. It is ****** to transform kinetic energy into electrical for a kinetic readout. The electronics argument is probably the ******est one I encounter. Would you connect a hammer and pendulum to a socket to find out how much energy is in your wall? It's ****** right? You see electronic equipment being used because punch measuring is for promotion and anytime you do conversions you have wiggle room to fudge the numbers with...you mook. Marciano's was for promotion as well but it happened early before we had better ways of ****ing with stats. They didn't know of any other way but the right way. It's a goddamn physics question...****ing eletricity? I am getting worked up just thinking about it. The truth is power comes from kinematic chains, end of. Were all else is 100% equal he with more true kinematic chains hits harder....but...instead we talk about size and weight, resume, and **** former boxers have said that way we can believe power is something you are born with even though it is a very unscientific thing to say isn't it? Maybe power comes from physics? I know, it's a crazy thought, but just maybe power is not magic. Maybe Tyson Fury could hit like a goddamn anti tank rifle if he punched like Marciano.

Size glorifiers have loads to say about the physics they don't understand and the history they never looked up. Marciano was also lucky to have existed during the small era, don't you know? Don't you know weight classes saved small men? Yeah, as you go back in time all the champions are huge....What? No? Why? Oh, ****, it turns out if you actually look at history it's more big men dying due to exhaustion than little ones getting hurt....hmmm...oh but that Marciano, he's the one who got saved by time. Wlad would so ruin the 50s if he existed back then....because giants did not exist in the 1950s, sports evolutions, and all sorts of other excuses that allow you to keep your cognitive dissonance alive and well.


If you excuse the era, excuse the resume, and excuse the feats what the **** are you left with? A small man who stumbled and bumbled around the ring while being incredibly lucky to have never faced a prime, full sized, capable HW with great boxing skills....aka the common perspective.

It isn't because he's white, they love Dempsey, it's because he was a pygmachia, a spartan, a sword and shield boxer from the way back come to prove in a modern time in 3k years of history boxing no form has ever surpassed the original ancient form.

[mlac]

bring back the GOAT lou cipher!