USADA Testing vs. VADA Testing

[McNulty]

Let's put this one to bed. This if for that coward GhostofDempsey who prefers to put posters on ignore instead of manning up and accepting the truth.

USADA and VADA use THE SAME EXACT WADA LABORATORIES FOR TESTING. It's idiotic to try to claim that VADA is better. In fact, there is more evidence that USADA is the better choice. Memo Heredia breaks down the difference between the two CLEARLY!

Highlights:

• VADA is an independent, intermediary contractor that doesn't perform testing or any protocol of testing.
• VADA only contracts an independent sample collector
• VADA is not recognized by WADA and does not follow WADA protocol
• Both USADA and VADA use WADA laboratories.
• Both detect the same things because they use the same labs!
• The only difference is USADA follows WADA's protocols.

If you need further assistance, GhostofDempsey, let me know.

He blocked me too and we never even tussled.

From what I've seen, VADA doesn't handle themselves well.

In the Ortiz case, they didn't act like professionals. They should have had an interpreter with Ortiz and an application in his own language. They should have never let his trainer fill out the forms. When asking about medications it should be SOP that they want the fighter present for inquiry/confirmation.

The more I learn about VADA, the less I dig it.

[travestyny]

Hmm, where have I heard that before?


Lance Armstrong and his fans would say similar to what you just said .....



Here you go .... Explained by Lance Armstrong:

Still deflecting to Lance Armstrong. Yet you won't explain your statement that he cycles off before training camp, but now you're saying he was juicing up to the moment of the fight. Once again. Lance Armstrong FAILED when they developed proper tests. If you want to believe that Mayweather had some novel way to pass the other 17 drug tests, as well as the final drug tests, then fine. Maybe you can stop SPECULATING and explain using some ****ing facts, and then explain why back acne Pac didn't do the same thing.

Nope, your post is just being ignorant.

Many athletes pass tests .... some get caught but do you think that was the first time they were tested? Nope. They passed previous tests while using PEDs.

Sure. Do you have any solid proof that Mayweather used PED's? That's all I've been asking you. Been waiting. You gave zero proof. You can't even explain how it makes any sense. All of your accusations are PURE SPECULATION THAT DON'T EVEN ADD UP. It's ****ing easy for me to say Back Acne Pac really cheated, but you don't like that, do ya? Just saying that past athletes have cheated don't mean shlt. Especially when you were already caught out there contradicting yourself.

Once again:
A. He cycles off before the fight. That's what YOU said.
B. Now he was microdosing through 19 tests, leading right up to the fight.

Explain your ****ing contradiction! You ****ed up, dummy!

1. Inadequate?
Go to your point #4. He still got caught on several occasions. On other occasions, Lance Armstrong still came back with "su****ious" results due to the results came back just below the "threshold".

****ing great!!!! Are we discussing Lance? Guilty! Now how about you stop DEFLECTING to Lance and explain Mayweather passing tougher tests than Lance and NO su****ious results and NOT being caught.

2. BOTH gave money!!!
Floyd's reps give USADA plenty of money and USADA charges way more than VADA who you said do the same thing! That extra money comes in handy when someone like Floyd tries to cheat!!! It helped Lance Armstrong as well.

Dude, you really need to learn how to read and comprehend. VADA and WADA use the same lab. That's what I said. I did NOT say they do the same thing. Does VADA use the ABP? Do they do everything required of a WADA recognized lab? NO! So right there you exposed that you have no idea what the **** you are talking about, but that isn't surprising.

3. Floyd does NOT do 24/7 365 days of testing. He knows when testing can begin and ends. Floyd sets the rules and people have commented that Floyd contracts are short termed (6-8 weeks)

Great. This is where you should have explained that if he knew when testing would start, why didn't he cycle off before camp, as you previously suggested. DO YOU SEE HOW YOU KEEP PUTTING YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH! YOU WOULD SAY ANYTHING TO FIT YOUR AGENDA, BUT YOU JUST WIND UP CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AND LOOKING LIKE AN IDIOT.

Floyd used BANNED IV bags. That is against the rules. USADA returned a favor.

Last I checked, the IV is not banned if a TUE is issued. You're giving false information. But you already know that, you butthurt buffoon.

4. But the truth about the failed tests were hidden. USADA too has been questioned about its lack of transparency.

WHAT? WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT FAILED TEST WAS HIDDEN???? YOU DEFLECT SO MUCH THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LANCE OR FLOYD NOW?

A. No proof that Floyd had any failed test.
B. Lance failed tests that weren't overseen by USADA.

So...not sure what you're talking about.

Athletes got caught back then and even now. The percentages are relatively the same. Drug testing improves but also cheaters change, adapt and beat the tests .... and yes, they get caught.

But Lance Armstrong had to be careful 365 days a year. Floyd just 6-8 weeks once or twice per year ....

Third time you mentioned this. Doubling down on your contradiction. If he knew when testing would begin, why didn't he cycle off as you claimed? Explain.

Lance Armstrong had his ways of cheating the system and Floyd had his own ways...... Some were the same such as delay testing, IVs, BS RETRO TUEs, ......

1. Did Lance have the DCO present when he took the IV? YOUR ANSWER?
2. Did Lance have a sample taken from before the IV? YOUR ANSWER?
3. Did Lance get a TUE from the independent TUE committee that didn't have his name on the application. YOUR ANSWER?

Do you see why you make no sense? Of course you don't.

and lets add this
5. BOTH used something that was on BANNED list.

So did De La Hoya but you don't rant about him. TELL ME WHY?

Lance Armstrong didn't put down on his form that he had issues with soreness on his A$$ that required a BANNED substance.
Floyd didn't put on the NSAC pre-fight form that he had severe issues with dehydration.

Again with the deflection to Lance. His TUE wasn't from USADA.

Name one fighter who has ever put on their NSAC physical that they are suffering from dehydration. I'll wait....

but there is more with Floyd:
- He had a whole list of tests taken and they all came back normal (vital signs).
- Floyd was examined by a physician who didn't note symptoms of a severely dehydrated fighter.

Great. Can you find any instance of NSAC claiming a fighter was dehydrated. Answer the question and DO NOT DUCK OR DEFLECT!!!

1. Can you think of even 1 boxer that failed an NSAC physical due to dehydration?
2. Do you think that at least 1 athlete has been dehydrated and passed NSAC's physical?

I REALLY WANT YOU TO ANSWER THIS, BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF ANSWERING ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS WHILE YOU BLATANTLY DUCK AND DEFLECT FROM MINE. PLEASE ANSWER.

- We all know that Floyd's BS excuses are LIES!!! Actually so did Lance (more similarities)
a) FLoyd gave blood 10 days beforehand ... how could it still affect Floyd when Floyd, USADA and his fans said it wouldn't since it's only 1 tbsp and it wouldn't affect you if you fought the next day?

NEVER heard Floyd say that giving blood was a major cause of his dehydration. Can you please give the direct quotation? You're a piece of shlt for constantly bringing this up when you know you have nothing. That's why you deserve no respect. I'm being very serious. You know no one, not even Ellerby, was saying that blood was the main reason for his dehydration. You're just butthurt that Pac wouldn't agree to a 14 day cut off Sketchy as ****!

b) Floyd gave urine .... LOL ... Travestyny tried to explain this one!!!

You're really an idiot. Look above. Matter of fact, you should just go hang yourself. Seriously. If you believe that anyone said pissing was the reason for his dehydration, then you're too ****** to live. Go ****ing hang yourself.

c) Hard training had stopped already and Floyd was interviewed saying that he was just going to RELAX during his FINAL DAYS!!!

He said he was going to rest his legs, too. Do you have any information on if he was still running? Why would he say he's going to rest his legs. Are you ever going to answer?

d) EASILY makes weight as per their admitted statements! So no reason to drain down .... he made it EASILY!

Same as in the Mosley fight, right? Yet...he was dehydrated. You never explained. Explain.

- Floyd had time to drink fluids and guess what?
We all witnessed Floyd drinking adequately.

Dude, you didn't even see him finish one bottle of water. Your detective skills are severely lacking. Your research skills are severely lacking. This is why you get stomped out by me constantly.

USADA tells us all not to use BANNED method but instead drink a couple of cups per 1lb or 1.5 liters per KG. Floyd only needed to get up a few lbs and lets not forget, he could have ate something as well and that weight is back up and over!
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Yet you have to speculate about why 3 doctors on the TUEC approved his application that didn't have his name on it.




How about this. Since I've done this every ****ing time that you write your rambling essays....go back, quote everything I just typed, and write your response directly to every ****ing question I just gave like I ALWAYS do to you. I'm dying to hear your responses. We all need a good laugh


LET'S SEE IF YOU MAN UP OR DUCK AND DEFLECT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO LAUGHING AT YOU TRYING TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. GOOD LUCK!