USADA Testing vs. VADA Testing

[travestyny]

some people aint worth quoting. i know this is killing you. LOL!!!

i stand by what i said before so if i said im done with you then im done with you LOL. unlike someone on here who claims "i win, you lose", "i know you were gonna biiatch out", yet continue to quote that person. LOL!!!

LMAOOO. Then who are you talking to?

It doesn't bother me, homie. I just like point it out as much as possible to show you're, for some reason, scared of me.

It's the internet, homie. I'm not gonna jump through your screen and beat you down. There is no winner and loser. The only people who bring that up are the ones who feel like losers and so have a constant need to make themselves feel better by saying winning or losing is null and void.

No one else is worried about that in a discussion. I'm only asking you to bring some facts when you discuss instead of your butthurt ways. But I'll give you that last one, because I knew you were gonna bltch out

[ADP02]

VADA was created as a CHEAPER alternative because not every fighter has Mayweather or UFC money to bring in USADA to do testing for the fighters which is allegedly something like $100K if I'm not mistaking. The USADA hate is because that is what Mayweather used. If Mayweather used VADA people would question VADA and saying how they're "Independent" and Corrupt and how "VADA Cheats For Mayweather" and "Why Is he Not Using USADA"

Boxing has very Disturbingly Delusional Fans who base everything off of Theory regardless of Test Results. It is always some type of Conspiracy behind a Test Result or a Decision on the Cards or something

You have people now saying "VADA IS CHEATING FOR WILDER" WOW! It is clear to me that Boxing have a lot of Mentally Ill Fans and I'm not even saying that to be funny I'm really starting to believe that

Is the "head of the WADA TUE Committee" who is also a physician a delusional hater?

Floyd should not have been allowed to get a RETRO TUE. IT STINKS of CORRUPTION!!!!


For 5 or 6 years, USADA, Floyd and his fans said that giving blood and urine doesn't affect you.

Then Floyd uses multiple BANNED IV bags and now Floyd, USADA and you Floyd fans change your mind about what you said for all those years????? Not only do you supposedly believe it affected Floyd, you are now going to tell me that 1tbsp of blood given about 10 days beforehand affected Floyd so badly that he needed BANNED IV BAGS?

And don't bring up training because Floyd was interviewed several times saying that he makes weight easily so he can just relax while others need to drain themselves down by dehydrating their bodies 15-20lbs!!! Floyd even said this soon after getting the banned IV bags!!!!




Here is what the head of the WADA TUE Committee had to say. Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. You do not get one as easily as USADA gave them out.


WADA's TUE Expert on how athletes use & abuse TUE's:




"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independant. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment.

"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs(URGENTLY). Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomitting and have diahreas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."



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[WesternChamp]

rumors around the strip clubs is that floyd failed 3 ped test and this wasnt started by no boxer or his dad either! ouch!

you know people like to gossip, heard floyd failed 3!! dizzammm!!

[travestyny]

Is the "head of the WADA TUE Committee" who is also a physician a delusional hater?

Floyd should not have been allowed to get a RETRO TUE. IT STINKS of CORRUPTION!!!!


For 5 or 6 years, USADA, Floyd and his fans said that giving blood and urine doesn't affect you.

Then Floyd uses multiple BANNED IV bags and now Floyd, USADA and you Floyd fans change your mind about what you said for all those years????? Not only do you supposedly believe it affected Floyd, you are now going to tell me that 1tbsp of blood given about 10 days beforehand affected Floyd so badly that he needed BANNED IV BAGS?

And don't bring up training because Floyd was interviewed several times saying that he makes weight easily so he can just relax while others need to drain themselves down by dehydrating their bodies 15-20lbs!!! Floyd even said this soon after getting the banned IV bags!!!!




Here is what the head of the WADA TUE Committee had to say. Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. You do not get one as easily as USADA gave them out.


WADA's TUE Expert on how athletes use & abuse TUE's:




"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independant. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment.

"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs(URGENTLY). Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomitting and have diahreas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."



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You again with this bullshlt?

1. The guy you are quoting stated, " I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT CASE." RIGHT OR WRONG?

2. Did you check his shlt for diarrhea or not? Let us know.

3. You're still going with this ridiculous assertion that Floyd Mayweather said it was due to giving blood and urine. QUOTE FLOYD MAYWEATHER SAYING THAT GIVING BLOOD AND URINE WAS THE MAIN CAUSE OF HIS DEHYDRATION.

Told you to do that awhile ago. You disappeared. I wonder why.

4. Are the at least 3 TUEC doctors who approved of the Retroactive TUE application without having the athlete's name and who actually DO know about this case not up to par with your standards???

[ADP02]

To be blunt, a lot of people are just plain ignorant and ******.

The organization that has tested olympic athletes and caught thousands of cheaters is obviously a lot more credible than an organization that only started a few years ago and doesn't even do the testing themselves. Not to mention that Victor "Prison Rat" Conte is involved with VADA and this fool was basically shipping drugs left and right for a living and is probably still doing it to this day. Watch him on Joe Rogan's podcast he admits and brags about being able to create drugs that were/are undetectable. Now he's still giving "supplements" to these guys while being involved with drug testing. Does NOBODY think that's a little su****ious? LOL @ anyone who seriously believes an organization like that is more credible than what has been the gold standard for testing for a long time. Some people were born without brains i'm convinced. How can people REALLY believe this stuff?

This thread was based on a quote from Memo Heredia

- Who when caught (PEDs) testified against others to save his skin ... rat?

- For a living, Memo was basically providing (left an right) many athletes PEDs.

- Who even after getting caught, thought that PEDs are good ... It levels the playing field!!!

- Memo "brags" that he knows of about 20 ways to mask PEDs so that they are undetectable.

- Memo Heredia sells "supplements". Athletes tested positive using Memo's "Supplements" that were later said to contain PEDs ....

- Floyd Mayweather hired Alex Ariza who then got Memo Heredia for "consultation" purposes for how to "improve" Floyd.

Floyd delays 6+ hours to provide urine sample then requires banned IV bags for some BS reason.

- Memo "Consulting" for Floyd and "providing" for Juan Marquez. So basically, still giving out PEDs left and right!

- USADA gets paid extra well by Floyd and company and in return, USADA provides Floyd with a RETRO TUE!!!




As you said,
"Does NOBODY think that's a little su****ious? "



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[travestyny]

This thread was based on a quote from Memo Heredia

- Who when caught (PEDs) testified against others to save his skin ... rat?

- For a living, Memo was basically providing (left an right) many athletes PEDs.

- Who even after getting caught, thought that PEDs are good ... It levels the playing field!!!

- Memo "brags" that he knows of about 20 ways to mask PEDs so that they are undetectable.

- Memo Heredia sells "supplements". Athletes tested positive using Memo's "Supplements" that were later said to contain PEDs ....

- Floyd Mayweather hired Alex Ariza who then got Memo Heredia for "consultation" purposes for how to "improve" Floyd.

Floyd delays 6+ hours to provide urine sample then requires banned IV bags for some BS reason.

- Memo "Consulting" for Floyd and "providing" for Juan Marquez. So basically, still giving out PEDs left and right!

- USADA gets paid extra well by Floyd and company and in return, USADA provides Floyd with a RETRO TUE!!!




As you said,
"Does NOBODY think that's a little su****ious? "



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Congratulations. One giant DEFLECTION from the fact that VADA and USADA use the same independent WADA labs and VADA doesn't actually do anything except act as a go between.

By the way, if USADA was paid off, Floyd wouldn't need a retroactive TUE.

By the way, if USADA was paid off, they wouldn't have taken a sample BEFORE the IV.


Give it up already. You wait till I beat you down in a thread and then you run to the next one. Go back and explain your belief that Floyd ducked Martinez. Why did you run away from that thread?

Just like you ran away from the Manny ducking PWill thread.

Stop ducking, stop deflecting, stop lying.


AND DIDN'T YOU MAKE A THREAD ASKING PEOPLE IF PED'S SHOULD BE ALLOWED AT THE TIME THAT PACQUAIO WAS BEING ACCUSED????? YEA, I WONDER WHY YOU THOUGHT OF ASKING THAT

[ADP02]

You again with this bullshlt?

1. The guy you are quoting stated, " I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT CASE." RIGHT OR WRONG?

2. Did you check his shlt for diarrhea or not? Let us know.

3. You're still going with this ridiculous assertion that Floyd Mayweather said it was due to giving blood and urine. QUOTE FLOYD MAYWEATHER SAYING THAT GIVING BLOOD AND URINE WAS THE MAIN CAUSE OF HIS DEHYDRATION.

Told you to do that awhile ago. You disappeared. I wonder why.

4. Are the at least 3 TUEC doctors who approved of the Retroactive TUE application without having the athlete's name and who actually DO know about this case not up to par with your standards???

Says the guy who quoted "Memo Heredia"!

At least I quoted the "head of the WADA TUE Committee"!!!

1. Right or wrong, was this said?
- "It doesn't smell right to me"
- "Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment."
- "Its a red flag."

Basically he is saying that Floyd shouldn't have gotten a RETRO TUE and if he did then it would mean that he was in no position to fight Manny Pacquiao!!! Floyd was giving interviews right after getting an IV and boasting that he doesn't dehydrate his body like others need to!!! Shoudn't he instead be at a hospital due to that "URGENT" medical situation?????


2) Floyd didn't say what you said PLUS Floyd came in as he always does at the weigh-in!!! No loss in weight!!!

Pre-fight form? There are these questions for a reason. Floyd had nothing.


3) It's not my ridiculous BS excuse. It's Floyd's!!!! You do not buy it either!!!

4) Tell me if I'm wrong?
- Floyd's doctor provided them with a BS doctor's note.
- There was no investigation.
- The RETRO TUE was rubber stamped and given the next day!!!

Was there an alternative to providing illegal banned IV bags? YES!!! Did we see this occur? YES!!!! Floyd drank adequately!!! You think that this important information was given to the TUEC? NO!!! Not even investigated!!! WOW!!!




Severally dehydrated? Floyd boasts that he can eat/drink a lot before the weigh in!!!

FLOYD MAYWEATHER DRIVES TEAM TO 4 AM DINNER 48-HOURS (24 hours to Weigh-in)BEFORE MAIDANA CLASH




THIS IS RIGHT AFTER GETTING THE BANNED IV BAGs!!! URGENT MEDICAL Situation?

"I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148 ... I'm extremely happy with everything ... right now" - Floyd happy Mayweather


and read the title from Floyd Hype. Floyd "relaxing". We know that it's true because that is what Floyd said he would do in his FINAL DAYS before the fight!!!

[travestyny]

Says the guy who quoted "Memo Heredia"!

At least I quoted the "head of the WADA TUE Committee"!!!

1. Right or wrong, was this said?
- "It doesn't smell right to me"
- "Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment."
- "Its a red flag."

Basically he is saying that Floyd shouldn't have gotten a RETRO TUE and if he did then it would mean that he was in no position to fight Manny Pacquiao!!! Floyd was giving interviews right after getting an IV and boasting that he doesn't dehydrate his body like others need to!!! Shoudn't he instead be at a hospital due to that "URGENT" medical situation?????


2) Floyd didn't say what you said PLUS Floyd came in as he always does at the weigh-in!!! No loss in weight!!!

Pre-fight form? There are these questions for a reason. Floyd had nothing.


3) It's not my ridiculous BS excuse. It's Floyd's!!!! You do not buy it either!!!

4) Tell me if I'm wrong?
- Floyd's doctor provided them with a BS doctor's note.
- There was no investigation.
- The RETRO TUE was rubber stamped and given the next day!!!

Was there an alternative to providing illegal banned IV bags? YES!!! Did we see this occur? YES!!!! Floyd drank adequately!!! You think that this important information was given to the TUEC? NO!!! Not even investigated!!! WOW!!!




Severally dehydrated? Floyd boasts that he can eat/drink a lot before the weigh in!!!

FLOYD MAYWEATHER DRIVES TEAM TO 4 AM DINNER 48-HOURS (24 hours to Weigh-in)BEFORE MAIDANA CLASH




THIS IS RIGHT AFTER GETTING THE BANNED IV BAGs!!! URGENT MEDICAL Situation?

"I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148 ... I'm extremely happy with everything ... right now" - Floyd happy Mayweather

Why do you even write back to me if you refuse to answer any of my questions?


Every time I go through answering all of your ****, you DUCK AND DEFLECT....AND THEN RUN AWAY.


Tell me how the **** any of your bullshlt makes sense. You've been trying this for over 2 years now and still you've gotten nowhere.


1. Why the **** would Mayweather pay off USADA for them to make a paper trail of him abusing PED's and involving the DCO, a paramedic, and 3 independent doctors in it. How the **** does that make any sense. Plus involving a WADA lab and WADA itself. You can't answer and you never have been able to. You tried to mention something about plasticizers. Funny that you don't bring that up anymore.

2. Do you have his medical records yet? Did the guy you're quoting see the records? Isn't part of WADA'S JOB to check up on what's being done?

Awaiting your answers which you can't provide.


COME ON, ADP02. IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO TIE THIS ALL TOGETHER AND MAKE IT MAKE SENSE. URINE SAMPLE TAKEN BEFORE AND AFTER THE IV. DCO PRESENT BEFORE AND AFTER THE IV. WADA LAB FINDS NOTHING. USADA REVEALS EVERYTHING TO WADA AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC. WADA, WHOM YOU ACCUSE OF BEING PAID OFF TO HIDE PED USE, INVOLVES A DCO, AT LEAST 3 DOCTORS, A PARAMEDIC, WADA LAB, AND WADA WHEN ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS NOT SHOW UP WHILE THE IV WAS BEING GIVEN!

YET YOU CLOWNS WHO SAY FLOYD DELAYS ANNOUNCING FIGHTS SO HE COULD CYCLE OFF WAS SOMEHOW TAKING PED'S RIGHT UP UNTIL THE FIGHT, YET PASSED SOMETHING LIKE 17 OTHER TESTS.

TELL US HOW IT MAKES SENSE. GO!

[ADP02]

Why do you even write back to me if you refuse to answer any of my questions?


Every time I go through answering all of your ****, you DUCK AND DEFLECT....AND THEN RUN AWAY.


Tell me how the **** any of your bullshlt makes sense. You've been trying this for over 2 years now and still you've gotten nowhere.


1. Why the **** would Mayweather pay off USADA for them to make a paper trail of him abusing PED's and involving the DCO, a paramedic, and 3 independent doctors in it. How the **** does that make any sense. Plus involving a WADA lab and WADA itself. You can't answer and you never have been able to. You tried to mention something about plasticizers. Funny that you don't bring that up anymore.

2. Do you have his medical records yet? Did the guy you're quoting see the records? Isn't part of WADA'S JOB to check up on what's being done?

Awaiting your answers which you can't provide.

Says the guy who had his DEFLECTION ready and didn't even respond to my post!!!

1. "I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148...I'm extremely happy with everything...right now"

AGAIN, this has happened before to other athletes!!! Lance Armstrong was paying off people left and right.

- There was still a paper trail.
- He still got caught with PEDs

BUT

the money is helpful for WHEN the athlete gets caught!!!!

USADA/IUC/WADA LABs/DCO/DOCTOR ... with money, anyone or more can help the cheater !!!!



"There are three pillars in which the whole TUE system rests."

“The first is an honest athlete, the second one is that you need a doctor with the integrity and the ethics to not also manipulate the system, and the third one is that you need credible oversight from the sport’s governing body and then WADA,” he said. “If any one of those three things fails, then the TUE system can be abused.”




2. Floyd and USADA told you what Floyd had and why .... you should know this by now but I get it..... you do not believe Floyd either .... you even admit that his BS excuses are BS (Giving blood 10 days before and urine while RELAXING on his FINAL DAYS ......!!!



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[travestyny]

Tell me if I'm wrong?

How about you prove that you're right.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao were each tested 19 times for performance-enhancing drug use both prior to and following their May 2 mega-fight at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas, and both men passed all of the examinations.

Each were tested 19 times. That would mean 17 times before the IV.

1. Does that mean he wasn't on these PED's that you accuse him of until the very last minute?

2. If instead you believe that USADA helped him hide his PED use even before this time, then why would he need an IV at the last minute if they previously helped him cheat without one, and did it all without creating a paper trail?

3. Why would be take PED's right before a fight when he is sure to be tested?

4. How did the DCO take a sample before and after, yet guarantee that Mayweather would pass???


Does any of this make any sense to you???? I'm tired of answering all of your questions just for you to run away. Time for you to do some explaining!