Comments Thread For: Canelo-GGG: Not a Smashing Success on PPV; Not a Bust, Either

[TyrantT316]

It was not a flop. 1.3 is great considering Canelo is still growing into a big star and Golovkin, while the best fight at 160lbs, isn't a mega-star on the PPV scale.

Canelo is where Mayweather was in his early 800k+ PPV butyrate days. Floyd didn't all of a sudden hit 4.4 and 4.6 right after DLH. He got his 2million plus vs DLH because DLH was already a mega star. Canelo hitting 2million+ vs Floyd was a similar scenario for Canelo against a big PPV star.

Now Canelo is in that stage where he'll be jumping between 800k and 1.3million until there is that one major fight that we don't even know of yet to rival that 2-3million+ realm. Canelo's Pacquiao or McGregor is out there somewhere and we don't know who that is yet. Golovkin to Canelo is more akin to Marquez to Pacquiao.

Floyd was kind of an anomaly with his undefeated record and ability to play the villain that people wanted to see beaten. Remember, Floyd wasn't hitting 2million+ automatically every fight. He had his 1.2mil Maidanas, Guerreros and 400k Bertos. Those were never going to be what May/DLH-Canelo-Pacman-McGregor were. May/Cotto-Mosley did 1million+ because of their own names combined with Floyd's star power.

The way I see it when it comes to PPV buys:

MayPac:
Mayweather the fighter - 800k
Pacman the fighter - 600k
Mayweather's undefeated record and wanting to see him lose - 400k
Both being considered the best two P4P in their generation - 500k
Pacman's popularity (good or bad) outside of the ring - 300k
Mayweather's intrigue (good or bad) outside of the ring - 200k
Casual fans simply "hearing" about May vs Pac "possibly" happening for years - 200k
Anticipation for THIS fight FINALLY being made - 300k
No other BIG FIGHT competition near this level to steal PPV buys - 300k
Marketing as The Fight of the Century - 300k
Built in "good fight" boxing fan PPV buyers - 300k
Built in "big fight" casual fight fan PPV buyers - 200k
FOMO - 200k

Canelo and Golovkin don't have half of the intrigue, record, history, worldwide appeal as MayPac. MayPac have also been the best two fighters P4P for like a decade. Canelo and Golovkin, despite what DLH wants you to believe, was impacted by MayMac PPV. They simply haven't captured the public the way MayPacMac have over the years.

If Golovkin had the same star power as Canelo, we'd be talking 2.2million. On top of that, If Canelo was undefeated, we'd be talking 2.6million. On top of that, If Golovkin had knocked Jacobs and Brook out cold, we'd be talking 2.8million. On top of that, if Canelo and Golovkin had been dominating in big fights vs other HOF fighters for 5+ years, we'd be talking 3.2 million. On top of that, if they had been the best two P4P fighters for the past 10 years, we'd be talking 3.8million. On top of that, If MayMac hadn't just happened for $99.99HD, we'd be talking 4+million.

The fight did great PPV buys. While it was being called "The REAL Fight"...which it was...it was never going to be the star power of Floyd and Pacman. History and dominance has been on their side for over a decade.

It takes two and many more factors.

[Shadoww702]

Bars have to pay way more than the regular price to be able to show ppv's. They have to shell out hundreds or even thousands depending on the capacity.

Yup! That's why you rarely see PPV Boxing at bars anymore. Now all you see is UFC PPV's shown which is a fraction of what it costs for boxing ppv's

[GhostofDempsey]

What's not being taken into account is that piracy is more common place now than ever before. More people are able to stream these fights for free or just watch it on Youtube an hour after it's ended.

Meanwhile, only a clueless moron would say that any fight over one million buys is a flop. Especially at $80 a pop.

[chepboxingking]

PAC is still the King! Unlike that steroid cheating fight ducking Andre coWard who couldn't get on this list if Jay Z wrote it.

Dude, why do you always bring Ward up? every post you somehow find a way to speak bad of him. The obsession you have with him is kinda disturbing. Did he fk your wife?? :bukkake:

[GOLDKING]

NEWS FLASH......mayweather said kovalev won the first fight against ward. Which one of the mayweather groupies disagrees with their hero?

[MexicanStyle#1]

wrong. You'll get good numbers but definitely not better numbers. Mayweather vs cotto did 1.5 mil while cotto vs canelo did 900k. Mayweather is the biggest ppv selling fighter in history. Canelo is the top active selling fighter but he'll never generate the full cross over appeal mayweather had in part for the undefeated mystique and controversial personality. As far name recognition, mayweather was doing close to a mil with guys like maidana and guerrero who never headlined any ppvs as well as the big names you mentioned.

Forgot to add being American does have its advantages... being hated too!!! I was one of those people that bought his fights hoping he would lose... even though I knew it would be a typical boring mayweather figth... but yes you are right... In order for canelo to get mayweather kind of numbers he would have to learn English, Be a smack talker, be in the eye of the public in a negative way outside the ring (act like a criminal), buy women, be a complete disrespectful maniac to even his father and mother, wife, and kids!!!! Being ****** or true to the game is a huge plus!! All of the above are things Canelo will never do!!!

[Scipio2009]

That is actually good. It is a lot better than I thought it would be. I guess there will be a rematch in May. That's a lot bigger payday than either can get against Charlo or Jacobs. Though many were disappointed in the fight itself, so the rematch probably comes in a little lower.

Is it though? Depending on who you want to believe here, Alvarez had to give up 40%-50% of the pot to Golovkin to make the fight, lol.

Daniel Jacobs wins his next two fights on HBO in style, after already edging near stardom in his own right, and could easily end up with Alvarez-Jacobs: USA vs Mexico, at Madison Square Garden, with Matchroom Sport USA/Jacobs likely not needing 40% of the pot to make the fight.

Alvarez being the star that he is, with Jacobs able to push the fight to the English-speaking sports press, and you'd still have a good-sized event with Alvarez taking home a believed bigger piece.

[rrayvez]

Forgot to add being American does have its advantages... being hated too!!! I was one of those people that bought his fights hoping he would lose... even though I knew it would be a typical boring mayweather figth... but yes you are right... In order for canelo to get mayweather kind of numbers he would have to learn English, Be a smack talker, be in the eye of the public in a negative way outside the ring (act like a criminal), buy women, be a complete disrespectful maniac to even his father and mother, wife, and kids!!!! Being ****** or true to the game is a huge plus!! All of the above are things Canelo will never do!!!

yes mayweather generated more interest in his fights because of his controversial ways. Many rooted for him but most wanted to see him lose. But, Oscar had the highest ppvs before mayweather and he went out of his way to try and be the squeaky clean image. Turned out to be somewhat fake with him being a drug user, cross dresser and adulterer but his popularity was based on his good guy image and Olympic gold medal combined with the story of his mother passing and his father being a d*ck to him. And yes, being American with Mexican roots helped. So in don't think Canelo needs to go left to get bigger or really do anything since he's already a star. I just don't see him ever reaching mayweather status. Not many, if any, will.

[lopez36]

itsgood for two non americans,, the only foreigners who did good i think was pac/marquez,, i think it did good

[Scipio2009]

It was not a flop. 1.3 is great considering Canelo is still growing into a big star and Golovkin, while the best fight at 160lbs, isn't a mega-star on the PPV scale.

Canelo is where Mayweather was in his early 800k+ PPV butyrate days. Floyd didn't all of a sudden hit 4.4 and 4.6 right after DLH. He got his 2million plus vs DLH because DLH was already a mega star. Canelo hitting 2million+ vs Floyd was a similar scenario for Canelo against a big PPV star.

Now Canelo is in that stage where he'll be jumping between 800k and 1.3million until there is that one major fight that we don't even know of yet to rival that 2-3million+ realm. Canelo's Pacquiao or McGregor is out there somewhere and we don't know who that is yet. Golovkin to Canelo is more akin to Marquez to Pacquiao.

Floyd was kind of an anomaly with his undefeated record and ability to play the villain that people wanted to see beaten. Remember, Floyd wasn't hitting 2million+ automatically every fight. He had his 1.2mil Maidanas, Guerreros and 400k Bertos. Those were never going to be what May/DLH-Canelo-Pacman-McGregor were. May/Cotto-Mosley did 1million+ because of their own names combined with Floyd's star power.

The way I see it when it comes to PPV buys:

MayPac:
Mayweather the fighter - 800k
Pacman the fighter - 600k
Mayweather's undefeated record and wanting to see him lose - 400k
Both being considered the best two P4P in their generation - 500k
Pacman's popularity (good or bad) outside of the ring - 300k
Mayweather's intrigue (good or bad) outside of the ring - 200k
Casual fans simply "hearing" about May vs Pac "possibly" happening for years - 200k
Anticipation for THIS fight FINALLY being made - 300k
No other BIG FIGHT competition near this level to steal PPV buys - 300k
Marketing as The Fight of the Century - 300k
Built in "good fight" boxing fan PPV buyers - 300k
Built in "big fight" casual fight fan PPV buyers - 200k
FOMO - 200k

Canelo and Golovkin don't have half of the intrigue, record, history, worldwide appeal as MayPac. MayPac have also been the best two fighters P4P for like a decade. Canelo and Golovkin, despite what DLH wants you to believe, was impacted by MayMac PPV. They simply haven't captured the public the way MayPacMac have over the years.

If Golovkin had the same star power as Canelo, we'd be talking 2.2million. On top of that, If Canelo was undefeated, we'd be talking 2.6million. On top of that, If Golovkin had knocked Jacobs and Brook out cold, we'd be talking 2.8million. On top of that, if Canelo and Golovkin had been dominating in big fights vs other HOF fighters for 5+ years, we'd be talking 3.2 million. On top of that, if they had been the best two P4P fighters for the past 10 years, we'd be talking 3.8million. On top of that, If MayMac hadn't just happened for $99.99HD, we'd be talking 4+million.

The fight did great PPV buys. While it was being called "The REAL Fight"...which it was...it was never going to be the star power of Floyd and Pacman. History and dominance has been on their side for over a decade.

It takes two and many more factors.

You're giving Pacquiao entirely too much credit, especially after the so-so number for Bradley 2, and the **** numbers that were the Rios and Algieri fights.

Anyway, the only reason why there is even critique of the number (no one lost their hat on the fight) is because Oscar told the world that Alvarez-Golovkin was going to be so big that it was to rival the biggest event ever produced in boxing ... and it didn't.

Even with the gate, Alvarez-Golovkin doesn't break into the top 15 events.

Still, that was Oscar's mistake