Sullivan Barrera Turned Down Offer To Fight Sergey Kovalev, per Mike Coppinger

[Ray*]

I don't think so because the Kov offer was rejected weeks ago but Jack only vacated days ago, so he rejected Kov before there was an indication that there would be an eliminator, and as it turns out there isn't an eliminator now even with Jack vacating, because apparently WBA upgraded Bivol from interim champ rather than having him fight someone for the vacant regular belt.

Then i don't get why he would turn down (400K), I can understand him turning down that sort of money because of a title offer etc Even if it is due to the rematch clause 400K is still good money. But what do i know, it looked like he lost on both ends then, not a good business decision unless something comes up for him soon.

[The Big Dunn]

you must be on a different forum to me....

Don't be disingenuous. GGG, loma and Kov are favorites of the overwhelming majority of this site. What you and others do is pretend the the 20 threads from Mirko and Barrett equates to the 40 different members of the majority that created the threads I discussed in my post.

They are the most popular fighters on this site. They get elevated unfairly because of it. They have a very low standard to meet to be given credit because of it as well.

[Vlad_]

Who? Is that the guy with balls on his navel?

Enjoy this pic of Ward trying to teabag himself:

[Commie]

The Risk being smashed by Krusher isnt worth 400k
When he can opt with a title fight voluntary defense and a mando that could make him 5 times more
Or take some step aside money

[RomanReigns]

He beat Shabransky and Joe Smith Jr. He deserves to get some good money.

[Boxing Logic]

Not another one of these threads where someone in the majority acts like a victim. To pretend kov, Loma and ggg get more criticism than say Floyd or Ward or even Manny is fake victimhood of the highest order.

Floyd and Ward are boring, cheating DIVA boxers who cherry picked the majority of their careers. You can't even compare them to a boxer who fought Gary Russell Jr in his third pro fight, or to a boxer who offered to fight Artur Beterbiev as a fricken tune-up fight.

There is no comparison. Plus, it's not about how much criticism someone gets, it's about who deserves or doesn't deserve the criticism they get. In other words, which boxers are getting treated fairly and objectively based on their careers? So when you compare GGG, Kovalev, and Lomachenko to Floyd and Ward, it's apples and oranges. They all get criticism, yes, but only some of them deserve the criticism they get. Some of the criticism is objective, fair criticism, and some of it is biased, unfair criticism. You're saying GGG, one of the most humble, most entertaining action boxers of the last decade, gets less criticism than Floyd, one of the most arrogant, least action-boxers in the history of the sport who is also a repeat woman-beater... well no ****, I would hope GGG gets less criticism than Floyd. That would only be logical.

That's the nuance you don't seem to understand within this discussion. Boxers like GGG are good for boxing in every area where boxers like Floyd and Ward have been awful for boxing. If the sport was only full of boxers like GGG, it would be the most popular sport in the world. If the sport was only full of boxers like Floyd and Ward, it would be less popular than ping pong. Don't you understand that? So yes, GGG may get less criticism than Floyd, but the fact that it's even close tells you there is major bias at play. On the merits, it shouldn't even be comparison.

Now, if you want to compare apples and apples, and make somewhat more fair comparisons, then you should compare the Klitschkos during their primes to Floyd during his run at welterweight, but even then, the Klitschkos fought all their mandatories, and didn't cherry pick fights.

But, if there is any somewhat fair comparison, it is between the dominant Klitschkos, who the refs let hold a lot, and dominant Floyd, who the refs and judges and boxing establishment also protected. Style wise, Ward is also a good comparison, except while the Klitschkos dominated a division for a decade and fought all comers, Ward was cherry picking and retiring off and on and so on. The Klitschkos have like 50 fights each, Ward has 30. But style wise, that's another fair comparison.

But if you look at how the fanbase that hates on GGG, Lomachenko, and Kovalev talks about Floyd and Ward, verses how they talk about the Klitschkos, you will see a huge double standard. That's the point. And then some posters will even bring up Lomachenko, GGG, and Kovalev as examples of boxers who are only popular because they're "white." And they will even mention Pacquiao in that group, even though he's not white. That's how biased some of these posters are. And yet, when you bring up the fact that if people were only rooting for white boxers, how come the Klitschkos, the most dominant white boxers of the last two decades, are not nearly as popular as GGG, Kovalev, or Lomachenko, these biased posters have no response. Because the truth is it's not about skin color to GGG fans, it's about exciting, clean boxers who will fight the best.

TL;DR version...

GGG, Kovalev, and Lomachenko fans are fans of exciting, clean boxers who fight the best, regardless of skin color. That's why they like those three fighters who happen to be white, but not the Klitschkos who are also white.

On the other hand, Floyd and Ward fans seem to be fans of black skin color regardless of excitement or clean boxing or fighting the best. That's why they like any black boxer, no matter how much of a cheat or cherry picker they are.

So there really is a big difference there. It's the opposite of what you seem to think. The double standard is not happening on the side of GGG fans, it's happening on the other side.

[Tarl of Bristol]

Kovalev was faking low blows during the fight from shots that landed on the navel. That's a fact. The guy wanted out. He already admitted defeat in that fight. DEAL WITH IT.

Then why didn't Sergey just go down from the right hand if he wanted out so badly?

That fight was a real good one and Sergey took a terrible beating to the body and although a blow or two coulda been low or borderline, he lost fair and square.

I was wrong about Andre Ward, I didn't think he would be able to compete at the heavier weight against a fighter of Sergey Kovalev caliber. Great fight by Andre Ward.

[BrometheusBob.]

Don't be disingenuous. GGG, loma and Kov are favorites of the overwhelming majority of this site. What you and others do is pretend the the 20 threads from Mirko and Barrett equates to the 40 different members of the majority that created the threads I discussed in my post.

They are the most popular fighters on this site. They get elevated unfairly because of it. They have a very low standard to meet to be given credit because of it as well.

[Boxing Logic]

Cause these fighters are not black/latin

Sadly, that seems to be the case. I haven't noticed the latin thing that much, but maybe you're right. Where I constantly notice bias is dirty, protected, cherry picking boxers still being defended just because they're black. Back in the days that Quillin was ducking GGG and Stevenson was ducking Kovalev, I kept encouraging other boxing fans to call them out for it and pressure them to fight the best, but instead many fans kept defending the duckers, and criticizing the ones being ducked, and back then I never understood why. It made no sense to me. Only once I realized that some black fans only cared about race, not boxing, did it start to make sense, and at this point it almost seems out in the open.

[BrometheusBob.]

You'd think for a guy with logic in his name, he would stick to what is logical rather than forcing everything to fit some baloney racial victimization narrative.

Beside money i no take this fight because i was next for elminator or title combat title is what i do this for term for kova fight no good

— Sullivan Barrera (@sullivanbarrera) September 25, 2017

I'm just waiting for the threads bashing Kovalev for the low ball offer. Like the threads that bashed Ward cause they didn't want to pay Barrera half a mil. I know people on here aren't consistent though

So they offered him less than when he fought Ward, for no title, and a rematch clause in there that he'd make the same money on? I see why he turned it down

Some good posts itt