The Rise Of American Elite Level Boxing...What Happened To The Eastern Europeans?

[muslimer12]

Because the judges are from USA

[NEETzsche]

... I think that, in the OP, "Eastern Europeans" would rather point out to the "Ex-Soviet school of boxing"... this would be much more simple to deal with... even if there are some differences between the "Russian" and the "Ukrainian" schools...

The thing is, Lomachenko, Usyk, Gvozdyk, et al, do not even represent the "Ukrainian school", they represent the "Anatoly Lomachenko school". When I look at Ukrainian boxers outside of those who have had contact with Lomachenko Sr, I mainly see two types, upright jabbers like Klitschko and Postol and fairly crude pressure fighters like Rudenko and Bursak. Now that Lomachenko Sr is in the USA, Ukrainian amateur fighters once again mostly adhere to these two archetypes. Russia and Kazakhstan in general have much more sophisticated "schools". Uzbekistan also has a golden generation right now but it remains to be seen whether it will last

... In the near past there were some good products from that "Ex-Soviet school of boxing", such as Tszyu, the Klitschko Bros, Dmitry Pirog... post 2010, there were GGG and Kovalev who tried to "conquer" the U.S. market (with quite little success in terms of business, tbh)... To date there are Lomachenko, and (maybe) Usyk , Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Bivol, Gassiev...

I am happy to have these guys around, they are a great addition to the global pro boxing scene and some of my favourite current fighters, but as I said, even if you add the whole former Soviet territory together it still can't compete with the USA in terms of consistently producing elite talent

[MDPopescu]

... I think that, in the OP, "Eastern Europeans" would rather point out to the "Ex-Soviet school of boxing"... this would be much more simple to deal with... even if there are some differences between the "Russian" and the "Ukrainian" schools...

[QUOTE=NEETzsche;18067514]The thing is, Lomachenko, Usyk, Gvozdyk, et al, do not even represent the "Ukrainian school", they represent the "Anatoly Lomachenko school". When I look at Ukrainian boxers outside of those who have had contact with Lomachenko Sr, I mainly see two types, upright jabbers like Klitschko and Postol and fairly crude pressure fighters like Rudenko and Bursak. Now that Lomachenko Sr is in the USA, Ukrainian amateur fighters once again mostly adhere to these two archetypes. Russia and Kazakhstan in general have much more sophisticated "schools". Uzbekistan also has a golden generation right now but it remains to be seen whether it will last

... In the near past there were some good products from that "Ex-Soviet school of boxing", such as Tszyu, the Klitschko Bros, Dmitry Pirog... post 2010, there were GGG and Kovalev who tried to "conquer" the U.S. market (with quite little success in terms of business, tbh)... To date there are Lomachenko, and (maybe) Usyk , Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Bivol, Gassiev...

[QUOTE=NEETzsche}I am happy to have these guys around, they are a great addition to the global pro boxing scene and some of my favourite current fighters, but as I said, even if you add the whole former Soviet territory together it still can't compete with the USA in terms of consistently producing elite talent[/QUOTE]


You chose to "fragment" my post... OK...

1)... You mention the "Anatoly Lomachenko school" as some sort of a "subset" of the "Ukrainian school"... OK, but I take it as a much too sophisticated approach for a boxing site like this one (where people hold and express very limited knowledge on this very issue -- see the OP)...

2)... You say: "even if you add the whole former Soviet territory together it still can't compete with the USA in terms of consistently producing elite talent"... Well, I don't actually compare the the U.S. "elite talent pool" to the "ex-Soviet talent pool"... I'm simply following the "schools' competition" on the U.S. market, of course (competition which also includes the "Mexican" and the "Cuban" schools, for example)...

[bluebeam]

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[FrankieBruno]

Lots of hurt feelings in here

Lomachenko is a very average boxer lets be honest here, he will get destroyed by Micky Garcia

Look end of the day, credit where credit is due, the Americans stepped up and are bringing the ruckuss.

We the UK are a close second...

the rest of EU can;t compete, its about levels

[j.razor]

The best fighters have always come from the US period.

[FrankieBruno]

So Kovalev, povetkin and Wlad were only the ones holding up that EE banner for the boxing world and made everyone think the EE were taking over?

And you big up the U.K. on the strength of having only Joshua, Degale lol and a has been Fury lol.

On a elite level yes

Has been Fury?, Fury would batter every Eastern European and Yank on the planet

[Madison Boxing]

golovkin, usyk, lomachenko.The best of the best.Once beterbiev gets his chance he will join them.

[Madison Boxing]

Lots of hurt feelings in here

Lomachenko is a very average boxer lets be honest here, he will get destroyed by Micky Garcia

Look end of the day, credit where credit is due, the Americans stepped up and are bringing the ruckuss.

We the UK are a close second...

the rest of EU can;t compete, its about levels

pardon????????

[FrankieBruno]

golovkin, usyk, lomachenko.The best of the best.Once beterbiev gets his chance he will join them.

Bumlovkin is a Kazakhstani, not even a Eastern European, he is from the country of Borat

Lomachenko is a bum who will be exposed if he ever steps in the ring with American War Hero Mickey Garcia

Oleksandr Usyk is another bum....but he isnt a pansy Russian, so i give him credit

Face it you have nought, when you have to latch on to a Kazakh/South Korean/Asian