Who looks better coming off the draw? GGG or Canelo

[Metho_4u]

Since when is stamina no longer an essential attribute in determining how good a fighter is?

And, by this logic, is Canelo a hypejob because he couldn't KO a drained and gassed JCC?

No, for the simple fact that if you looked at his hand afterward, he knew he had another fight signed, so why break it? Not to mention he dominated the fight bell to bell.

[g27region]

Are we going to ignore the fact Canelo's stamina got exposed to the point he made Golovkin look like the younger guy over there?

[Metho_4u]

You are familiar with the idea that one's preconceptions directly influence the way we perceive events - we can literally see things differently or selectively to subconciously ensure they accord with our expectations. We all do it, man, it ain't just you. But in the light of your self-confessed bias it's probably worth taking account of. Just sayin.

I don't like golovkin...ive made no excuses about it. It has nothing to do with his skin, ethnicity, or anything other than as fans of the sport, we expect fighters to dare to be great, golovkin hasn't done that. If you think he has, tell me how? Which current p4p fighters do you think haven't taken more risks?

[Metho_4u]

Are we going to ignore the fact Canelo's stamina got exposed to the point he made Golovkin look like the younger guy over there?

No, because we and the three stooges all were aware of it, but canelo is still good enough to make golovkin hesitant, even with not great stamina...how fast does golovkin go out in a rematch if that improves?

[Citizen Koba]

I don't like golovkin...ive made no references about it. It has nothing to do with his skin, ethnicity, or anything other than as fans of the sport, we expect fighters to dare to be great, golovkin hasn't done that. If you think he has, tell me how? Which current p4p fighters do you think haven't taken more risks?

I don't do P4P man - I think whole concept's a pile of bottom slime. I think Golovkin could have taken more risks with his career but recognise that his unspectacular resume has more to do with lack of opportunity and bad luck than any deliberate choice. And sure - we're all allowed to have our favourites and those we don't like - I'm just pointing out that having a distinct preference or dislike for a particular fighter (as you seem to have) will inevitably make or perception of their fights less than reliable. It is what it is.

[Citizen Koba]

I don't like golovkin...ive made no references about it. It has nothing to do with his skin, ethnicity, or anything other than as fans of the sport, we expect fighters to dare to be great, golovkin hasn't done that. If you think he has, tell me how? Which current p4p fighters do you think haven't taken more risks?

I don't do P4P man - I think whole concept's a pile of bottom slime. I think Golovkin could have taken more risks with his career but recognise that his unspectacular resume has more to do with lack of opportunity and bad luck than any deliberate choice. And sure - we're all allowed to have our favourites and those we don't like - I'm just pointing out that having a distinct preference or dislike for a particular fighter (as you seem to have) will inevitably make or perception of their fights less than reliable. It is what it is.

And in terms of 'daring to be great' - I believe you'll find that the primary motivation has always been 'daring to be rich' examples where fighters have chosen a more difficult but less lucrative fight over an easier, richer windfall are historically very thin on the ground.

[Metho_4u]

I don't do P4P man - I think whole concept's a pile of bottom slime. I think Golovkin could have taken more risks with his career but recognise that his unspectacular resume has more to do with lack of opportunity and bad luck than any deliberate choice. And sure - we're all allowed to have our favourites and those we don't like - I'm just pointing out that having a distinct preference or dislike for a particular fighter (as you seem to have) will inevitably make or perception of their fights less than reliable. It is what it is.

Sure, I'll go with that, but I would also give him credit for a great performance vs a top fighter, but he dfidnt do that vs Jacobs, and not Saturday either.

[g27region]

No, because we and the three stooges all were aware of it, but canelo is still good enough to make golovkin hesitant, even with not great stamina...how fast does golovkin go out in a rematch if that improves?

Golovkin will probably lose the rematch, but the fact remains, Canelo at the peak of his physical conditions looked worse than 35 y.o guy, and he's far from being that master technician who was supposed to take Golovkin to school according to some people

I was betting on Canelo to outbox Golovkin and win wide UD in NSB Pick Em game, because I've bought into the hype, and now some of his ******ed ass fans owe me something since the guy couldn't even get a clear victory. I'm mad lol

[Metho_4u]

I don't do P4P man - I think whole concept's a pile of bottom slime. I think Golovkin could have taken more risks with his career but recognise that his unspectacular resume has more to do with lack of opportunity and bad luck than any deliberate choice. And sure - we're all allowed to have our favourites and those we don't like - I'm just pointing out that having a distinct preference or dislike for a particular fighter (as you seem to have) will inevitably make or perception of their fights less than reliable. It is what it is.

And in terms of 'daring to be great' - I believe you'll find that the primary motivation has always been 'daring to be rich' examples where fighters have chosen a more difficult but less lucrative fight over an easier, richer windfall are historically very thin on the ground.

All these guys deserve to get paid, it's still a health risk, I recognize that. So if it's a lucrative payday for tens of millions, yeah of course. Let's be honest though. Until Canelo officially moved up, was 160 a lucrative division? No, they waited and waited for a jmw to move up instead of just going to SMW. Fighting DeGale or Groves in the UK? They would've been highly lucrative.

[Johnny2x2x]

I scored it for Canelo, but I understand why more people thought GGG won than thought Canelo won.

It was a good fight, but overall I came away a little unimpressed with both guys. GGG's power is a myth, Canelo was the smaller man who spent his entire career thus far at a lower weight, GGG landed several flush power shots and I did not see Canelo a bit dazed even once. GGG's power comes from the fact that he spent his entire career fighting the weakest competition imaginable. Those club fighters that most young pros spend their first dozen or so fights KOing to get experience, GGG fought them for 30+ fights and well into his 30s. He also is a pressure fighter and not much else.

Canelo's stamina is as bad as any champion I can remember and he's keenly aware of it. He would simply stop throwing mid flurry because he knew if he continued he'd be gassed the rest of the round. GGG wasn't backing him down so much as Canelo was looking for a place to hide to regain his breath. Let's be honest here, if Canelo could fight the full 3 minutes of each round he would have killed GGG.

They both did some good things too. GGG is a pressure fighter and his footwork is so subtle and natural that he's always in good position. He walked through most of Canelo's big shots. Canelo showed great defense. Even GGG's jab was mostly deflected.

Overall, I didn't see 2 great middleweights Saturday night, they are both good, but flawed fighters. If GGG had spent the last 10 years fighting the best available and maybe even moved to 168 to chase a challenge or two he'd probably have 5 losses or more. Canelo does not look like a fighter who's going to dominate 160 going forward, he looks like a light middle who should figure out a way to stay at 154. And his stamina is pathetic for a big time fighter.