Lederman scorecard, what was it?

[Motorcity Cobra]

The general consensus seem to be 8-4 for GGG, which is how i had it too.

Anything from 8-4 to a draw is a good card in that type of fight where there were so many swing rds. I didn't have a problem with the results and even though I had Canelo winning I wouldn't have had a problem with GGG winning 8-4

[Gillie]

Anything from 8-4 to a draw is a good card in that type of fight where there were so many swing rds. I didn't have a problem with the results and even though I had Canelo winning I wouldn't have had a problem with GGG winning 8-4

Good post. I am curious though, how did you score the fight? Was it like 7 to 5 Canelo or thereabouts? I had it 7 to 5 for GGG but could also live with 8 to 4. Peace.

[Vlad_]

It was very accurate.

[Vlad_]

Good post. I am curious though, how did you score the fight? Was it like 7 to 5 Canelo or thereabouts? I had it 7 to 5 for GGG but could also live with 8 to 4. Peace.

8-4 GGG pretty clearly. 7-5 GGG if you're biased for Canelo. Either the draw stinks of corruption, and the 118-110 confirms it.

[HarvardBlue]

Anything from 8-4 to a draw is a good card in that type of fight where there were so many swing rds. I didn't have a problem with the results and even though I had Canelo winning I wouldn't have had a problem with GGG winning 8-4

How could you have all 3 as a possible outcome? It's either a draw or one fighter was clearly better. You can't make a case for both being deserving of the win. I thought Golovkin did enough to win. A draw would be the next possible outcome. A Canelo win was the LEAST possible outcome and didn't even enter my mind. I get it if one of the judges scores his one or two punches per round as more effective but you also have to ignore everything Golovkin was doing. Backing into the ropes consistently is not effectively aggression. His defense was solid but he was hardly doing anything in return for long stretches each round.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Good post. I am curious though, how did you score the fight? Was it like 7 to 5 Canelo or thereabouts? I had it 7 to 5 for GGG but could also live with 8 to 4. Peace.

I had it 8-4 Canelo after the final bell but as I was thinking about it I decided 7-5 would be more accurate. I didn't write my score down I was just going off watching the fight. The draw doesn't bother me or GGG winning 8-4 doesn't bother me. It wasn't a robbery. The thing that has everyone upset is that 118-110 card which was horrible.

[Motorcity Cobra]

How could you have all 3 as a possible outcome? It's either a draw or one fighter was clearly better. You can't make a case for both being deserving of the win. I thought Golovkin did enough to win. A draw would be the next possible outcome. A Canelo win was the LEAST possible outcome and didn't even enter my mind. I get it if one of the judges scores his one or two punches per round as more effective but you also have to ignore everything Golovkin was doing. Backing into the ropes consistently is not effectively aggression. His defense was solid but he was hardly doing anything in return for long stretches each round.

Because there were so many close rds I could see the judges going either way. My personal card had Canelo winning but I can see how a judge would have GGG winning. It was a close fight. Nobody on either side can say it wasn't a close fight. And in close fights the card can go either way. Just like you saw GGG winning I saw Canelo winning. The 3 judges saw it different from each other.

You put a lot of stock into GGG coming forward. I put more stock into Canelo's defense and landing cleaner punches. That's how I can see it going either way, it depends on what you value more.

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Lederman seems to be the only straight shooter at HBO, he's usually on point and doesn't care about politics. Kellerman and Lampley were unbearable, they are becoming the worst set of boxing commentators in the sport.

[HarvardBlue]

Because there were so many close rds I could see the judges going either way. My personal card had Canelo winning but I can see how a judge would have GGG winning. It was a close fight. Nobody on either side can say it wasn't a close fight. And in close fights the card can go either way. Just like you saw GGG winning I saw Canelo winning. The 3 judges saw it different from each other.

You put a lot of stock into GGG coming forward. I put more stock into Canelo's defense and landing cleaner punches. That's how I can see it going either way, it depends on what you value more.

Golovkin was landing as he was coming forward. He missed a lot but he also landed and it wasn't one shot at a time. I don't have a problem with you having it for Canelo. When you say that you could also see it for Golovkin it raises an eye brow for me. For you to see it for Canelo, you would have to ignore or not take into account what Golovkin was doing. It's possible because he didn't land consistently, but he did land, and when he did, it was more when you added it up. In other words, he would land a series of punches, then Canelo landed one or two, the crowd go crazy, and Golovkin would land some more. If you only saw Canelo's punches that's fine, but based on your "either/or" scenario, you saw them both but didn't value them as much as Canelo's one or two punches. If that's the case you should have it clearly for Canelo, but not Golovkin. I understand the fight went back and forth but at the end of the night, only one did better than the other.

[ironmt]

116-112 for GGG. I had it the same. I could see 115-113 for GGG, but not a draw and definitely not a Canelo victory.

Same here. Lederman was right on the money.