Canelo-Golovkin average scorcards of 895 fans.

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  • b00g13man
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    #11
    It's always interesting to see these. They almost always reflect the true nature of the fight.

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    • Citizen Koba
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      #12
      Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
      No this is the AVERAGE scorecard. Golovkin doesn't get more points for winning a round more clearly.

      More people had Canelo winning round 1,2,3,10,11,12. That's why it's ar draw on the average card.
      I think Maxi's correct on this one. Mathematically more people could have scored the overall fight for Golovkin on their cards whilst averaging out the scores on each individual round could still make it appear to be a draw by this method of scoring.

      Yeah... OK it's ****** O'Clock and I hadda actually write out an example to wrap my head around it. It's entirely possible to construct a situation of a 7 card sample where Canelo drew on the average RBR whilst losing on 6 of the 7 cards.
      Last edited by Citizen Koba; 09-17-2017, 01:38 AM.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
        I think Maxi's correct on this one. Mathematically more people could have scored the overall fight for Golovkin on their cards whilst averaging out the scores on each individual round could still make it appear to be a draw by this method of scoring.

        Yeah... OK it's ****** O'Clock and I hadda actually write out an example to wrap my head around it. It's entirely possible to construct a situation of a 7 card sample where Canelo drew on the average RBR without winning on a single individual card.
        Yes, I'm right. Majority of people scoring with the app scored the fight for GGG. But with the "average criteria" they use it seems the average result is a draw. It's a flawed method.

        All polls in all forums have GGG winning by 90%. Same for people using that app and most boxing experts have ggg winning as well.

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        • siablo14
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          #14
          Boxing Scene scorecard had it a draw and that scorer is usually spot on.

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          • Robbie Barrett
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            #15
            Originally posted by _Maxi
            Yes, I'm right. Majority of people scoring with the app scored the fight for GGG. But with the "average criteria" they use it seems the average result is a draw. It's a flawed method.

            All polls in all forums have GGG winning by 90%. Same for people using that app and most boxing experts have ggg winning as well.
            Do you know what a majority is? It's impossible that the majority scored for Golovkin.

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              #16
              According to Chris Mannix:

              "Lot of people on press row have this a draw, or 7-5 GGG."


              In other words, it was a competitive fight. If any fighter deserved the nod it was GGG but a draw was justified.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                Do you know what a majority is? It's impossible that the majority scored for Golovkin.
                Think about it, man. I can write down an example for you to show you how it works if you like. It's entirely possible to have a wide majority of people score the fight for one fighter on their individual total scores whilst still giving averaged out round by round scores which appear to show a draw.

                In fact it's entirely possible to do the same thing with just the normal 3 judges. Envisage the following 6 round scorecard.

                Judge #
                1 2 3

                c c g
                c g c
                g c c
                g g g
                g g g
                g g g

                G wins on every scorecard whereas the round average appears to show a draw. The larger the number of scorers, the more ways there is of doing it.
                Last edited by Citizen Koba; 09-17-2017, 01:53 AM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                  Do you know what a majority is? It's impossible that the majority scored for Golovkin.
                  No it's not impossible. I will teach you.

                  Example: we have 5 people voting. We have fighter A, and fighter B. A fight of 6 rounds.

                  Voter 1:
                  Round 1: Fighter A.
                  Round 2: Fighter A.
                  Round 3: Fighter A.
                  Round 4: Fighter A.
                  Round 5: Fighter A.
                  Round 6: Fighter B.

                  Winner according to Voter 1: Fighter A.

                  Voter 2:
                  Round 1: Fighter A.
                  Round 2: Fighter A.
                  Round 3: Fighter A.
                  Round 4: Fighter A.
                  Round 5: Fighter B.
                  Round 6: Fighter B.

                  Winner according to Voter 2: Fighter A.

                  Voter 3:
                  Round 1: Fighter A.
                  Round 2: Fighter A.
                  Round 3: Fighter A.
                  Round 4: Fighter B.
                  Round 5: Fighter B.
                  Round 6: Fighter A.

                  Winner according to Voter 3: Fighter A.

                  Voter 4:
                  Round 1: Fighter A.
                  Round 2: Fighter B.
                  Round 3: Fighter A.
                  Round 4: Fighter B.
                  Round 5: Fighter A.
                  Round 6: Fighter A.

                  Winner according to Voter 4: Fighter A.

                  Voter 5:
                  Round 1: Fighter B.
                  Round 2: Fighter B.
                  Round 3: Fighter B.
                  Round 4: Fighter B.
                  Round 5: Fighter B.
                  Round 6: Fighter B.

                  Winner according to Voter 5: Fighter B.

                  According to this app, the "average" score would be:

                  Round 1: Fighter A
                  Round 2: Fighter A
                  Round 3: Fighter A
                  Round 4: Fighter B
                  Round 5: Fighter B
                  Round 6: Fighter B

                  "Average result" to the app is a 3-3 draw, but in fact 4 of 5 voters had Fighter A winning.

                  This is exactly what happened. Most people scoring the fight had GGG winning, thanks for the graph confirming it again.

                  Did you go to college? Basic lessons.

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                  • Robbie Barrett
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by _Maxi
                    No it's not impossible. I will teach you.

                    Example: we have 5 people voting. We have fighter A, and fighter B. A fight of 6 rounds.

                    Voter 1:
                    Round 1: Fighter A.
                    Round 2: Fighter A.
                    Round 3: Fighter A.
                    Round 4: Fighter A.
                    Round 5: Fighter A.
                    Round 6: Fighter B.

                    Winner according to Voter 1: Fighter A.

                    Voter 2:
                    Round 1: Fighter A.
                    Round 2: Fighter A.
                    Round 3: Fighter A.
                    Round 4: Fighter A.
                    Round 5: Fighter B.
                    Round 6: Fighter B.

                    Winner according to Voter 2: Fighter A.

                    Voter 3:
                    Round 1: Fighter A.
                    Round 2: Fighter A.
                    Round 3: Fighter A.
                    Round 4: Fighter B.
                    Round 5: Fighter B.
                    Round 6: Fighter A.

                    Winner according to Voter 3: Fighter A.

                    Voter 4:
                    Round 1: Fighter A.
                    Round 2: Fighter B.
                    Round 3: Fighter A.
                    Round 4: Fighter B.
                    Round 5: Fighter A.
                    Round 6: Fighter A.

                    Winner according to Voter 4: Fighter A.

                    Voter 5:
                    Round 1: Fighter B.
                    Round 2: Fighter B.
                    Round 3: Fighter B.
                    Round 4: Fighter B.
                    Round 5: Fighter B.
                    Round 6: Fighter B.

                    Winner according to Voter 5: Fighter B.

                    According to this app, the "average" score would be:

                    Round 1: Fighter A
                    Round 2: Fighter A
                    Round 3: Fighter A
                    Round 4: Fighter B
                    Round 5: Fighter B
                    Round 6: Fighter B

                    "Average result" to the app is a 3-3 draw, but in fact 4 of 5 voters had Fighter A winning.

                    This is exactly what happened. Most people scoring the fight had GGG winning, thanks for the graph confirming it again.

                    Did you go to college? Basic lessons.
                    Only problem with your theory is we can see how many voted for what with the bars.

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                    • _Maxi
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                      Only problem with your theory is we can see how many voted for what with the bars.
                      What? you didn't even understand my post it seems... damn I thought you were a little bit clever.

                      Re-read fool, and try to understand again. In my example you could also draw "bars" assh0le. And it still gives you an "average draw scorecard" while in fact 80% of the people gave the victory to the first fighter. Another poster gave you another example.

                      You lost this argument.

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