Why was Chavez's loss erased in his 12th fight?

[Larry the boss]

Interesting.

I don't recall that ever happening before. A fighter failing a drug test and changing the decision to a DQ. Whar comission did this?

I wonder if that will be the way it is going forward. As it should be really.

yea that is odd, should be a no contest

[McNulty]

SNIP

Good catch!

[b00g13man]

Interesting.

I don't recall that ever happening before. A fighter failing a drug test and changing the decision to a DQ. Whar comission did this?

I wonder if that will be the way it is going forward. As it should be really.

The DC commission.

Agreed that it should be the standard.

[Golden Boi 360]

I'm calling bull**** on the guy that said Canelo had 3 losses. One of those guys would have come out of the woodwork by now to claim he beat Canelo.

Chepo says Canelo's real record should have 10 more wins


"However, the elder Reynoso stated in 2013 that Álvarez had fought 10 more times in that span, winning all 10 by knockout, but that these fights (all in small venues in the Mexican state of Nayarit) were so poorly documented that it was not worth the trouble to seek to have the record corrected"

[HI-TECH Boxing]

Something like this wouldn't surprise me. It's like when there's some dispute over some fighters actual amateur records. Their records vary quite a bit depending on the source. Some sources claim that Golovkin and Lomachenko lost more amateur fights than their "official" record today says.

It wouldn't surprise me if it's the case with professional boxing too when it's away from the cameras, on small shows in Mexico or wherever. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get away with it now, but 10-11 years ago, probably a bit easier.

Let's be fair, Canelo started fighting pro at 15 and those early fights in Mexico were like his amateur apprenticeship in a way. Would it be that surprising if he lost a few? whether it's on or off the record.

Also, it might be worth going on something like webarchive and see if there's any cache's of Canelo's record from years ago.

I know Golovkin without a doubt lost more than 5 times as an amateur. He lost at least 8 but someone told me it was more than that.
I've been following Lomachenko since 06 and as far as I remember he only lost to Selimov, in 07, from 06 until his amateur career was over. But it's definitely possible that he could have lost before 06.
Do you mind showing some sources about Lomachenko's record?
I know I was very shocked when I learned he only had one defeat as an amateur, or so they say. When they first said something about his record it was back in 09 after the World Championships, so it's not like Loma was bragging about it. A reporter asked him his record after he won Gold and he answered. I actually remember people were discussing that interview after those Championships in a forum. I can't remember what site exactly.

I'm not trying to make Canelo look bad in any way. I just know what I saw. I'm not bashing him for anything. I know he had to learn boxing as a pro after a short amateur career.
If I was trying to make him look bad I would be bringing this up all of the time. This is only the second I have ever brought this up. The other time was to a friend a few years ago.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

I'm calling bull**** on the guy that said Canelo had 3 losses. One of those guys would have come out of the woodwork by now to claim he beat Canelo.

Chepo says Canelo's real record should have 10 more wins


"However, the elder Reynoso stated in 2013 that Álvarez had fought 10 more times in that span, winning all 10 by knockout, but that these fights (all in small venues in the Mexican state of Nayarit) were so poorly documented that it was not worth the trouble to seek to have the record corrected"

Do you honestly think people would pay attention to a random boxer, because they probably weren't even known one bit, claiming that they beat Alvarez? They probably wouldn't even have a proper way to communicate that. I doubt they have ways to contact big TV networks.

I remember Alvarez's team saying how they had more fights than what their record shows. You're telling me it's not possible that they also missed some defeats?

I remember when I checked Canelo's record all the time ago, Canelo already had 30 something wins; this was before he fought in the US. If you go check Canelo's record right now he only had 21 wins going into his US debut against Larry Mosley. So some of his victories were also taken away from his record.

I'm not making this stuff up. Canelo potentially having a few more defeats doesn't affect anyone. Doesn't affect me, you, or Canelo.
Canelo is still going to be the fighter he is today. You know what I mean? So it's not like I'm trying to make him look bad. I don't even know how that would make him look bad to begin with.
It's unfortunate that I didn't think, back then, Canelo was going to make it this far or that his record would be changed.
Obviously, if I knew that I would have taken a pic of his record or something. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Like I said it's very possible that BoxRec just messed up. I just know what I saw. That's all I'm saying. That's the first thing I remember of Canelo that's why I remember it so clearly.
First impressions, for lack of a better word, stay with you the longest.

[El Gitano]

because Sinaloa foo

[Pigeons]

Badou Jack's "draw" with Bute was changed to a DQ win.

Yup you're right.

[TheBigLug]

I know Golovkin without a doubt lost more than 5 times as an amateur. He lost at least 8 but someone told me it was more than that.
I've been following Lomachenko since 06 and as far as I remember he only lost to Selimov, in 07, from 06 until his amateur career was over. But it's definitely possible that he could have lost before 06.
Do you mind showing some sources about Lomachenko's record?
I know I was very shocked when I learned he only had one defeat as an amateur, or so they say. When they first said something about his record it was back in 09 after the World Championships, so it's not like Loma was bragging about it. A reporter asked him his record after he won Gold and he answered. I actually remember people were discussing that interview after those Championships in a forum. I can't remember what site exactly.

I'm not trying to make Canelo look bad in any way. I just know what I saw. I'm not bashing him for anything. I know he had to learn boxing as a pro after a short amateur career.
If I was trying to make him look bad I would be bringing this up all of the time. This is only the second I have ever brought this up. The other time was to a friend a few years ago.

I will try to find the source for the Lomachenko thing, i can't remember exactly where i saw it but it was a few guys talking and one was knowledgable about the Ukranian amateur system and stated that a lot of fights at the national level in Ukraine are kind of "off the record" so to speak, and that Lomachenko had more than 1 loss in reality.

Also, Pernell Whittaker says he had 500 amateur fights, yet his amateur record would state he had around 220 or something. Rigondeaux's "official" amateur record is about 100 fights less than what he says it is.

I guess the point is that especially in the amateurs, there's a real inconsistency when it comes to records. It's all very vague. Lomachenko's record may be correct, but there's a good chance it's not quite accurate too.

Although Canelo was fighting as a pro from a young age, i don't think it's that unlikely that some fights in Mexico back then might have been kind of off the record too. I've heard similar things about fighters in Thailand and the Philippines and places like that too. It's interesting what you say about Canelo though, it would be cool if we could find some proof one way or another. You would have thought someone would have spoken out about it by now though unless they were paid off.

[MurkaMan]

It's Mexico, wtf you expect


Anybody ever actually seen this fight? Any footage?

This is actually my first time hearing about it tbh