was Estrada-Cuadras really that close?

[Dean_Razorback]

didnt they also have jacobs winning so honestly i dont know how to explain that. jacobs and cuadras were the guys throwing a lot but not really landing clean. just kind of stay away from me punches as the great max kellogman would say. ggg and estrada were finding the target with the cleaner harder punches yet they had 2 different views on these fights. its possible alcohol could be to blame

cuadras with the khan's flurries was doing nothing the entire night. can't understand what was people watching honestly. not close at all and without that KD it would've been a draw.

[daggum]

cuadras with the khan's flurries was doing nothing the entire night. can't understand what was people watching honestly. not close at all and without that KD it would've been a draw.

you know how they say some people are more visual and some more auditory. im thinking the more auditory people are missing whats actually happening? im def visual and can see which punches are landing clean and which arent for the most part. ever since calzaghe hopkins where calzaghe kept hitting air and hopkins was landing flush i have been puzzled by boxing and its scorecards. its easy to say corruption but it has to be more since cards make no sense in almost every fight

[lolpz]

The thing is people on here will selectively agree with whatever scorecard their preferred fighter was winning on. It's a subconscious bias.

They will say "Skysports scorecard was dumb in the Pacquiao/Horn and Golovkin/Jacobs fight, because I love Pacquiao and Golovkin there is no way they lost!"

But at the same time they don't necessarily have a preferred fighter when it comes to Cuadras vs. Estrada so they will see the fight more objectively and are more likely to side with the Skysport scorecard which is usually way more accurate than the HBO one.

"We hate Andre Ward, theres no way he beat Kovalev! How could skysports have him winning!"

Now they flip-flop and hop on skysports d*ck because when there is more objectivity in their own perception, the skysports scorecards make more sense to them.

[daggum]

The thing is people on here will selectively agree with whatever scorecard their preferred fighter was winning on. It's a subconscious bias.

They will say "Skysports scorecard was dumb in the Pacquiao/Horn and Golovkin/Jacobs fight, because I love Pacquiao and Golovkin there is no way they lost!"

But at the same time they don't necessarily have a preferred fighter when it comes to Cuadras vs. Estrada so they will see the fight more objectively and are more likely to side with the Skysport scorecard which is usually way more accurate than the HBO one.

"We hate Andre Ward, theres no way he beat Kovalev! How could skysports have him winning!"

Now they flip-flop and hop on skysports d*ck because when there is more objectivity in their own perception, the skysports scorecards make more sense to them.

i dont take any of them seriously or give them any credibility. i just point out how their way of scoring fights seems completely different in some fights. i always score fights the same way. thats why kovalev, ggg, estrada, etc..won. they all landed the much cleaner punches. doesnt really matter if they were going forward, backwards, sideways, were clinching, were being clinched. the punches are the punches. ward has won fights where he was the dirty fighter like against kessler and lost them like against kovalev. difference was the punches not what he was doing. some people simply score fights to a guy because it appears hes doing what he always does. doenst make much sense to me. every fight is different and the punches should determine who wins not made up criteria like "whos fighting his fight" etc...

[SilverMiles]

Juan Francisco Estrada vs Carlos Cuadras (09-09... por boxingfightsvideos

did you guys make a scorecard for this one? i don't wanna go through all the official thread for the card. watching it live i thought cuadras was in control in the first half but it doesn't look like it on a second watch. i got Estrada winning though.

I had 114-113 for Estrada. The was very close and I wouldn't have been angry to s

You can tell Estrada was bothered by Cuadras' unorthodox style, movement, and speed. He was able to clip Estrada coming in and get out the way. Threw some nice flurries that stole rounds were Estrada really didn't let his hands go enough. And most of his flurries landed on scoring points, unlike the ones Jacobs threw that hit nothing by arm and elbow for example.

But as it got to the mid rounds, Cuadras was starting to tire and his movement was mostly used to get out of the way of Estrada

But Cuadras is a warrior and in my opinion came back to take the 12th round.

Estrada is going to need to start letting his hands go earlier, he really gives away a lot of rounds trying to warm up.

My ScoreCard

1. Estrada
2.Cuadras
3.Cuadras
4.Cuadras
5.Cuadras
6.Estrada
7.Estrada
8.Estrada
9.Cuadras
10.Estrada (+KD)
11.Estrada
12.Cuadras

[Mexican_Puppet]

Great fight, very competitive but the correct guy won the fight.

[glenn mcrory]

Juan Francisco Estrada vs Carlos Cuadras (09-09... por boxingfightsvideos

did you guys make a scorecard for this one? i don't wanna go through all the official thread for the card. watching it live i thought cuadras was in control in the first half but it doesn't look like it on a second watch. i got Estrada winning though.

I had it like 10-2 or 9-3 Estrada at most.
Think I gave Cuadras rounds 3, 9 and another round.

IMO
HBO had an agenda. Roman's been ducking Estrada for years. Making him mandatory wouldve cause massive issues in making the fight. Cuadras is less of a threat to Roman. HBO has been disrespecting and giving no credit to Sor Rungvisai since the first fight, pushing Roman hard(need I remind Cuadras lost his mandatory position because Roman cried about being wobbed), and did you hear the boos when he was introduced? Of course, this all went out the window after Wangek thrashed the melted kitkat bar. So I guess all this was for naught really.

[sicko]

Watching the fight again...*** NO it wasn't close!

HBO Influenced the *** out of that fight after watching it again without listening to them especially Lampley!

HBO had me believing it was 5-0 at one point in this fight, watching it again I had it 3-2 Estrada after the 5th. What I noticed is how Lampley was ignoring a lot of what Estrada was doing while Praising and having a ****** over what Cuadras hitting mostly Gloves and arms. But they was ignoring Estrada Counters, he was catching and timing Cuadras with some excellent left shorts/check hooks and when he landed them HBO didn't acknowledge them they just talked about Cuadras wild combos hitting Gloves. Look at Cuadras Face and Estrada Face. Estrada was the fresher guy down the stretch of that fight for a reason



HBO is PATHETIC and Embarrassing at this point

[lolpz]

i dont take any of them seriously or give them any credibility. i just point out how their way of scoring fights seems completely different in some fights. i always score fights the same way. thats why kovalev, ggg, estrada, etc..won. they all landed the much cleaner punches. doesnt really matter if they were going forward, backwards, sideways, were clinching, were being clinched. the punches are the punches. ward has won fights where he was the dirty fighter like against kessler and lost them like against kovalev. difference was the punches not what he was doing. some people simply score fights to a guy because it appears hes doing what he always does. doenst make much sense to me. every fight is different and the punches should determine who wins not made up criteria like "whos fighting his fight" etc...

I mean I look for the same thing when I watch fights, so I'm sure they do the same. For example look at the Porter-Brook fight. They (sky) had Porter winning that fight, I had Brook winning it. What was the narrative in that fight based on how you just said you judge fights?

I'm just speaking about what I see from some on here, the patterns I notice. It's my perspective on the situation.

For the record, Kovalev (imo) did land the better more effective shots in the entire first fight, but most of it was done in the early rounds. The way those shots were spread out between rounds, I simply had Ward winning more rounds then Kovalev did. Thus, winning him the fight. That is something that judges also take into consideration.

[Mammoth]

Very close......