Comments Thread For: Rigondeaux's Coach Warns: Lomachenko is Not at This P4P Level!

[Steven Mccowan]

You do know that Loma is 5 levels above Amagasa ?

And donaire lol. These fools are ridiculous. Same guys who praised russell jr and dropped him like a bad habit after his schooling lol.

[AdonisCreed]

I think Lomachenko is going to win this easy because Rigo is moving up 8 pounds I don't think this was a smart move. It should have been made at 126 then I would favor Rigo. Not to mention Rigo was dropped at a lower weight class! Idk hope you know what you doing Rigo you better bring it otherwise you'll be another scalp on his record!

[Steven Mccowan]

To me - this is a bigger fight than GGG v. Canelo, as far as skill level.

nah, ggg vs canelo shouldnt be as one sided as loma vs rigo. Rigo will not hang long with loma

[Scopedog]

I think this is a bad matchup for Rigo, his strategy revolves around reactions and reads of his opponent, where Lomachenko's offense is based mostly around scrambling the opponent's radar by hiding his heavy shots amongst a lot of light, throwaway arm punches, leaving the opponent without any real idea of how to respond, which is exacerbated by Lomachenko's ridiculous foot movement, handspeed and accuracy. Add to that the fact that Lomachenko is going to have a lot of height, reach and weight over Rigo on fight night and I honestly can't really see how he realistically wins.

[MisanthropicNY]

I think this is a bad matchup for Rigo, his strategy revolves around reactions and reads of his opponent, where Lomachenko's offense is based mostly around scrambling the opponent's radar by hiding his heavy shots amongst a lot of light, throwaway arm punches, leaving the opponent without any real idea of how to respond, which is exacerbated by Lomachenko's ridiculous foot movement, handspeed and accuracy. Add to that the fact that Lomachenko is going to have a lot of height, reach and weight over Rigo on fight night and I honestly can't really see how he realistically wins.

How could any match up be a bad match up for the GOD of boxing? The Internet Boxing Nerds have already placed Rigo on Boxing's Mount Rushmore - this should be an easy fight for him... No excuses...

[MisanthropicNY]

After Loma destroys Rigondeaux and Mikey then you write here "call out Crawford" who will be fighting at Welterweight very soon. You Loma critics will always find new excuses.

These Racist Internet Nerds will soon be saying Loma is ducking Andre Ward...

They'll say Ward is even willing to come down to 172...

[MisanthropicNY]

Racist-Internet-Boxing Nerds' Top 5 All-Time: 1. Floyd 2. Ward 3. Rigo 4. Lara 5. Ali

[Dramacyde]

I agree, Loma is overrated as MF

[sammybee]

Loma vs Rigo is 50/50.it could go either way but I feel it won't go the distance.

[Boxing Logic]

Did you not like:
Ward vs. Kov
Joshua vs. Klitschko
GGG vs. Jacobs
DeGale vs. Badou
Spence vs. Brook
Thurman vs. Garcia
Frampton vs Santa Cruz

I think these were all great fights.

Ward vs. Kov... No I didn't like it one bit. Was intriguing, nip and tuck action for 7 rounds, but not what it could have been because both looked tired from the 4th round. Kovalev looks shot, stamina wise, and Ward looked like he packed on too much muscle, struggled to make weight, and was gassing as well. Then a corrupt ref stopped it right when it was getting really interesting. I looked forward to that fight for months and it could not have gone any worse. I wanted to see an improved Kovalev, I didnt. I didnt even see an improved Ward. I wanted to see the controversy cleared up, instead I got the opposite. I wanted a definitive ending, got the opposite. I wanted to see how the fight would go without a corrupt referee, got the opposite.

Klitschko-Joshua... the one big fight all year that both lived up to the billing, and did not have a corrupt referee. However, the fight was stopped on missed punches at the most crucial, historical moment when the fight could have gone from the fight of the year to an actual all time great historical fight. That was also very disappointing. That's boxing's problem, even when it mostly delivers, it still finds a way to leave a bitter taste because it's just such a consistently corrupt or incompetently run sport. A good baseball game that is decided by an umpire error is still going to live a bitter taste. Just because it happens constantly in boxing, and rarely in baseball, doesn't mean you just magically accept it in boxing. At least I dont.

GGG - Jacobs... had the IBF weigh in problem that created an uneven playing field and a huge weight disparity, causing the more aggressive boxer not to be as aggressive as normal, which caused the fight to never break out like it should have. That should have been a classic fight, instead it was a good, not great, fight. Im glad the fight happened but did it live up to what it should have? No, and again, the incompetence of those running boxing is the reason why. NOW the IBF figured it out and got rid of that dumb rule for unifications, but not before ruining a potential great fight because they were reactive, not proactive.

Again, these are just facts. Maybe you overlook all this BS, but that doesn't change the fact I am correct in pointing out that it keeps happening in almost every big fight in one way or another. Some have lower standards and will overlook all that crap, but it is still messing up many of these potentially great fights, and that's bad for boxing.

Degale - Jack... that was a good fight between two B+ fighters, not something I had much emotional investment in. Then Jack got robbed which always leaves a bitter taste. See? It's sad that the best examples you can find for the entire year are still by and large tainted with corruption and incompetence in almost every case.

Spence - Brook... should have happened before Brook fought GGG. He looked good for a few rounds then predictably gassed from coming back down in weight, and his face fell apart as well. The two things that people were worried about after the GGG fight, having to come back to 147 and Brook's eye, both played a huge role in the fight in exactly the ways people were worried about. Additionally, before Brook fatigued and started to take a sustained beating, Spence never wobbled him, and he never wobbled Spence. Just like Thurman-DSG, lots of bombs were thrown, but few landed flush, and in general the fighters chins were better than their power was, so there was not a lot of back and forth momentum swings, or really anything dramatic happening in the fight besides two strong, terminator type fighters unloading on each other and missing a fair amount.

Maybe that drama would have come later in the fight, once the boxers were fatigued, just like maybe the drama would have come later in Kovalev-Ward as both their punch resistance declined with fatigue, but fans were robbed of seeing that in Kovalev-Ward by the ref, and fans were robbed of seeing those dramatic swings in Spence-Brook by Brook fatiguing after 4 rounds (also a factor in Kovalev-Ward) and his eye breaking down shortly after.

Thurman - Garcia... I just touched on that, but yeah that was a solid action fight, but no knockdowns, and not even a ton of sustained action the second half of the fight once Thurman realized Garcia could take his punch and he didn't like getting hit by Garcia's. Surprisingly Garcia almost looked the stronger man in that fight, like maybe Thurman's size at welterweight was overhyped the same way GGG's size at middleweight was, so Thurman just potshotted and outboxed Garcia for a lot of that fight. Solid fight, but little drama, and not the war people had predicted, not the knockout people had predicted.

Frampton - Santa Cruz... the first fight was my fight of the year, but the rematch was a snoozer. Frampton had no adjustments the entire rematch. Also because both of them ducked Rigondeaux so blatantly, it feels both are just chasing money fights, and that neither is aiming to be the best, so there is little investment in it. It's like an action filled game between B-league soccer teams full of players who have chosen to play B-league on purpose because they dont want the full time commitment of playing in the A-league, or whatever their reason is. Yes it's a fun game, but if none of them are even trying to be the best, and they're just happy to collect paychecks in the B-league, then what are the stakes, really? At this point those fights, which again had zero knockdowns in 24 rounds, are feeling more like slightly higher level, but less action filled, versions of Mike Alvarado vs Brandon Rios, or Orlando Salido vs Rocky Martinez. Except those both had even more action, plus I'm not convinced that Orlando Salido, anyway, wouldn't have beaten both Santa Cruz and Frampton at 126 (assuming he could make it). We've seen guys who could take Leo's punches and keep coming give him problems before, for as long as they could last... well, Salido is bigger than any of those guys, and punches harder than any of those guys that Al put Santa Cruz in the ring with...

That's the problem. I'm not even sure those guys at true 126 pounders, but they moved up to avoid Rigondeaux at 122 I guess, yet because they're not true 126's, they're being strategically kept away from all the actual top guys who were there (Lomachenko when he was there, Mikey when he was there although that might have been a little before they moved up, even Walters and Gary Russell Jr. both would probably give those guys hell). So what am I really watching? I feel like I'm watching B+, maybe A- on Santa Cruz's best day, 122 pounders, who are probably more like B- 126 pounders, being kept away from all the A-level boxers out there, and put in action wars instead, except they're all advised by Haymon and so respectful of each other, and clearly not interested in truly going to war to be the best in some cases, that their action fights aren't even necessarily that heated. They are action fights without animosity, and "top level fights" without top level fighters, at least not at 126.

So it's kind of an illusion. Maybe the first fight at 126 between Santa Cruz and Frampton, with both of them coming off big wins, the illusion was sort of effective, plus the fight was competitive enough that overall it was a success, but as time has passed, and these guys became more inactive and more disconnected from all the top fighters around their weight classes, the rivalry became much less interesting to me, culminating in a one-sided rematch.

So there you go. You can say I'm just being negative, but I think I made fair points, no? You posted what were supposed to be the best fights of this year, but most of them involve corruption or incompetent referees or belt organizations or commissions, and very few of them were actually great fights.

I mean you posted 7 supposedly top fights from this year, but only two ended in knockouts (not counting the low blows by Ward), and one of those was stopped on missed punches, and the other was not a real KO, it was a weight drained fighter quitting from fatigue and an eye injury. So in reality of the 7 best fights of the year according to you, not one ended in a legitimate KO, and I believe only three had true knockdowns in them (not counting Brook taking knees. Did he ever get truly knocked down though? I forget. If he did, then that's four, but again he was fatigued much more than he was rocked at any point), and one was just a quick flash knockdown by GGG.

The other happened in Jack-Degale, and oh I forgot that's another ****ed up uneven playing field fight in my opinion. I don't think that fight had VADA! So to me that fight was one boxer on massive PEDs, using the latest weight bullying techniques as well, walking down and through the better boxer. So instead of seeing the boxing match on an even playing field to see who was truly better, we saw one boxer probably cheat to put a beating on the other in the ring, but then the boxer who had been cheated in the actual fight ended up cheating the other on the scorecards, because he's a future UK star they want to protect in a growing market to make money off of.

So that's another fight where you try to hold it up as an example of what's good about boxing in 2017, when in reality it's actually an example of multiple things that are not only wrong, broken, and corrupt in boxing in 2017, but extremely dangerous. On skills alone that fight should never have been dangerous for Degale, and in fact it wasn't even that much of a legacy fight or important fight outside of it being a unification fight (but in a weak division), but due strictly in my opinion to what APPEARED to ME, subjectively and allegedly, to be PEDs and weight bullying, Degale took the beating of his career, in a sustained fashion.

So how is that an example of something good? Jack used to be a C-level boxer, now he's walking through every punch Degale lands and throwing GGG-like bombs to his body, all after beginning to work with Memo Heredia... Come on. Let's be real.

So that's my opinion on all those fights. I respect your opinion, and you can disagree if you want, but I'm just bringing up facts, and I think I made very reasonable points.